Extrajudicial murders using the same paltry level of evidence as most ICE operations. The word MURDER is the essential word.
It pains me to give trump the benifit of doubt greatly but I’d love to see some solid evidence of it not being drug smugglers so we can nail him the fuck down for it in the future.
Besides the fact that evidence doesn’t work that way, the Administration has options here if they actually believed those were drug boats. The 50BMG rifle exists to put a big hole in an engine block. There are snipers good enough to make that shot at a few hundred yards in a helicopter.
They choose to use a much more expensive missile that just so happens to obliterate any evidence.
They’re just killing random fishers.
A lack of evidence of innocence isn’t the same thing as evidence of guilt.
Even if they were guilty of smuggling drugs, using missiles to murder them is excessive force.
Also finding people outside your borders guilty, sentencing them to death and carrying out that sentence without even knowing their name might be just a tad excessive.
A war crime perhaps.
Kinda need a war for that, but yeah.
Everyone already explained why your view on this issue is misguided, so I’ll just add one thing: even if these people are guilty of drug smuggling, that is not a crime that’s punishable by death in the United States.
And even if it was we have due process for a reason.
It pains me to give trump the benifit of doubt greatly
then don’t?
but I’d love to see some solid evidence of it not being drug smugglers
it’s pretty hard to get evidence from an exploded small boat, sunk in the ocean… not counting that proving negatives is fairly hard (which is why that’s not how evidence works)… how do you “prove” to me you are not a drug smuggler?
I won’t and I don’t, but it will be easier to convict with evidence that it’s not a drug smuggling op.
ok so I send my military to kill you and now it’s up to whomever to prove I did wrong… great deal for me
You know how in every court case the prosecutors being evidence?
wow you really don’t know? SCOTUS already ruled your president is king, they literally said it was ok for POTUS to kill political enemies without any due process (that was an example presented)
I’m Australian, cunt.
That aside, I just want evidence for the Nuremberg trials.
Yeah that’s not how evidence works. The onus is on him to provide evidence that they are drug boats, which should be trivial for the largest military in the world.
Why would you ever give him the benefit of the doubt here?
Would you trust any evidence coming from him?
I said I don’t want to give him the benifit of doubt.
But those courts might and it would just be more difficult to lock him up without evidence, but fuck me I guess lol.
Completely agree. I think that they’d be waving it about if they did.
Exactly what I would imagine haha
This is terrorism.
*state terrorism
I would make the case that the people being directly killed here by the state, while atrocious, pale in comparison to the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US. And of course the gutting of the US health department and ending vaccine programs/requirements.
We will likely see a death-toll directly tied to Trump and his administration in the range of seven figures in the next decade.
the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US
Hey now, we didn’t cut USAID. We just sent $40B to our good friends in Argentina. And now Milei’s party has won the midterms, which means he can continue his War On Leftism inside the state and along the borders.
We’re also helping to arm and secure Guyana, in a Kuwait-like project to drill into neighboring Venezuelan oil fields. That’s not happening for free. Lots of Latin Americans and US government contractors are absolutely getting their palms greased. It’s been a bonanza for NATO aligned mercenaries since the Bush Era, thanks to all the money we’re spending on freelance military.
We’re saving lives, man. All that money is putting food on the tables of any number of cocaine snorting, whore house frequenting, tacti-cool sunglass wearing Afghanistan washouts and their Guasano peers.
Are you just going to ignore that?
How could we ever let that poor oil stay down in the ground where it can’t be loved and cared for? It’s cruel NOT to destroy countless lives in exchange for this act of kindness and empathy.
We will likely see a death-toll directly tied to Trump and his administration in the range of seven figures in the next decade
You could apply this to any US president. The US + EU murder half a million people abroad yearly just through economic sanctions and blockades, as shown in a recent study in Lancet.
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port.
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
This is just extrajudicial murder, plain and simple. I hope Trump and everyone who is involved with this dies an excruciatingly painful death.
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port
That would require due process, instead of a spectacle of Shock and Awe.
Also, let’s say, hypothetically that these aren’t drug boats. Let’s say they are boats moving medical supplies or fuel or building materials between Venezuela and Cuba. Let’s say they’re actually military units working on behalf of the Venezuelan Coast Guard or just fisherman who got caught in an international crossfire.
It’s just easier to say “Drug Gang. Killed them.” knowing no major American media source is going to publish a rebuttal. Nobody in the US has access to the details of the attack. Nobody is going to interview the families or investigate the wreckage. Nobody is going to contradict this regime when it comes to butchering citizens of the Global South.
So why not call them a drug gang? Call them human traffickers. Call them roving nautical pedophiles. Call them Islamic Jihad.
American audiences won’t hear anything different.
Imagine if they’ were actually human traffickers, and these assholes have been blowing up the victims as well.
They were probably poor people somehow indebted to the cartels and had no choice to do what they were told.
Israeli tier foreign policy
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
It’s not like those can’t be planted. They’re already killing civilians of another country, there’s no bottom in their games.
Terrorist attacks*
It’s murder for political optics plain and simple.
Exactly.
Yeah, but that is the case for a LOT of murder done by both states and individuals. I’m in no way saying that to lessen how bad it is, if anything it should give people pause to reflect on how bad many things they don’t see as bad are.
Why can’t they just intercept the boats and arrest the people on board if they truly have evidence of smuggling? It’s cheaper in the short term than wasting expensive missiles, and much cheaper in the long term when you factor in the reparations we’re going to have to pay to the families of all the people that were murdered.
Trump is trying to escalate tension with Venezuela to instigate them to attack us. Then he can rule that we can’t have another election during a war.
Expecting them to pay reparations is very optimistic.
Because that doesn’t make you feel like a couch badass warrior. Duh.
They can tell how many they killed, but no actual eviidence of drugs in the wreckage while counting bodies??
That’s the neat part! They can’t! No one is counting bodies in person, this is all remote us murder, as is tradition.
So how do they know how many victims were aboard?
Same way they knew about enemy casualties in any conflict, they “estimate” from observed data before they pull the trigger.
FYI did you know that the us claimed 1.1 million kills in Vietnam? The Vietnamese claim less then 500,000 where killed (with many many more civilians killed)
IR cameras are good at counting bodies.
It’s insane that they aren’t, at worst, intercepting and searching these vessels. As with everything Trump does, cruelty is the point.
This man is a convicted felon that is sloppily trying to cover up the fact he sexually abused children (Epstein Files), along with the full support of the republican party. And the GOP (politicians and voters alike) are complicit with these crimes as long as they agree he should not be punished.
We, the sane people in this world, will never forget these facts.
Updated the slogan.
Huh, it rippled backwards in time, too
The U.S is a terrorist state and now it’s a full on dictatorship. They’re not even hiding their illegal kills anymore
Murdered.
Not recognizing ICC, regime change, illegal killing of foreign civilians, supporting genocidal regimes, invading other countries, carpet bombing nations, incarcerating their own population, killing eachother in mass shootings, biggest per capita contribution to climate change.
American exceptionalism isn’t doing us any good.
But ooh nooo China, please Europe, fear China… We are your ‘allies’.
They will keep killing fishermen until Venezuela takes action, and then its ok to invade for that sweet sweet oil. Drill baby drill! USA USA USA!
and then its ok to invade for that sweet sweet oil
Déjà vu
If it works it works
US already does all the oil in Venezuela though…
The U.S. doesn’t run Venezuelan oil — it regulates who gets to touch it. The Treasury’s OFAC sanctions don’t control production; they choke the financial and logistical pipelines around it. That’s Washington’s leverage — not ownership, but gatekeeping. Venezuela nationalized its oil industry back in the 1970s, and PDVSA still owns every barrel that comes out of the ground.
Right now, the only American company still operating there is Chevron, and even they’re basically on probation. Their projects run under a temporary OFAC license that can be pulled at any time, and they’re not allowed to pay the Maduro government directly. Everything has to go through a U.S.-approved escrow system.
Meanwhile, most of Venezuela’s actual oil exports move outside U.S. reach entirely — crude swapped through China, blended with Iranian condensate, shipped under flags of convenience on ghost fleets that never report their location. That’s not American control; that’s a global workaround to avoid it.
So yeah, the U.S. has influence — financial choke points, compliance pressure, and the ability to turn Chevron’s tap on or off. But control? No. PDVSA owns the wells, China and Iran move the barrels, and OFAC just decides who’s allowed to touch the money.
Edit: Please, I encourage you to fact-check me. Informed decision-making is the key to equitable governance.
Fishermen? I’m not defending the actions of my government, they are fucking appalling and illegal, but have you seen the boats they’ve killed? My friend, those are not likely innocent fishermen.
EDIT: None of you read first sentence. Not going to parse a two sentence post for you.
“I’m not defending their actions, but I’m definitely going to support them. Have you seen the boats? I’m just asking questions”
They are innocent until proven guilty, not until killed.
Do I really need to post my entire comment in this reply? It’s two sentences and the first one covers your concern.
Fishermen?
Yes, dont you know “Fisherman?” Is all you need to justify murdering dudes in boats who may or may not be drug runners. Also their boats look like drug boats so fuck em
Are you being sarcastic, man?
Who me? Never.
Oh, well, bombs away then!
Oh, look, another lemming so anxious to get his cute little burn out there. So anxious he skipped the first of two sentences in my comment. Hey! It was a pretty long-winded thing to parse!
Bless your heart, I hope you have a better day tomorrow.
They must be drug boats because there is no more drugs in the US anymore.
This sets a really bad precedent and is just plain wrong and murderous. Like no sane people comes up with this plan and then starts murdering. Absolutely not okay. I thought the UN made a statement that this is illegal? Does that mean, like Bush, it will likely be the case that Trump (and maybe his goons?) won’t be able leave the US if they push that through the international court? I would love this for all of them.
I sure hope so. If America has a civil war over evils like this, I don’t want Dogey Americans to be able to flee and set down roots in other nations. Our elite are weeds, and they will strangle the life out of Europe and others if given the chance.
Sharing a border with them might make this especially difficult. Even American culture has gotten to us North of the border… Thankfully it seems like a big part of our identity is just “we’re not American” so when the nasty T word came around most people I knew were actively boycotting ( and still are) US made products. Here’s hoping that if it comes down to a civil war, it’s quick and painless…
Hard to say. Historically, the American Civil War and the whole thing(s) with the World Wars took at least several years to resolve, in extremely bloody fashion. HOWEVER: Competence isn’t present at all within the Trump Regime. Nazi Germany had veteran soldiers and genuine anger from the mistreatment caused by the Versailles Treaty. The likes of the Trump Regime doesn’t have any legitimate grievances to power a war, and is explicitly removing the best soldiers from their ranks for petty reasons.
The American Civil War, while not a foregone conclusion, had a lot of factors against the Confederacy: A lack of Southern infrastructure and logistics, limited trade partners, VERY angry and rightfully motivated black folks, lack of morality, and so forth. Aside from veteran generals, the Confederacy wasn’t in a good position for victory. The Trump Regime is pretty much stacking almost every factor against itself.
That said, there are many wealthy people who would prefer a Dogey America, so we will probably see Elon funding and building Tesla CyberTanks or V3 Rockets. This is a common thread between the American Civil War and the Trump Regime, in that very wealthy interests have to gain from moral decay and slavery.
I am hopeful for a good outcome, but it will take the bodies and effort of people like myself, and the assistance of friendly nations, to defeat MAGA if we come to blows. If you are a foreigner, please support cooperative aid for the Free States - trade, troops, information, entertainment, moral support, all are good for the cause.
My entire life has been a bad precedent.
