• EightBitBlood@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Maybe consider why he has that position on Firearms? Considering he was the victim of a school shooting as a child during one of the dozens that have happened since Columbine. Funny how school shootings are now old enough for their survivors to run for office. So maybe their stance is respectable, even if you don’t agree with it.

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      Maybe consider that it’s that very reason why guns are so important. You don’t see that the right are being groomed to hate and despise us to a violent degree? How are you going to defend yourself when some right-wing nut job busts into your home with full combat gear and an AR-15?

      If the world was perfect I’d agree weapons have no place in society, but we’re very very far from a perfect world. If this giant rift in American society that has both sides violent towards each other hasn’t changed your mind on firearms IDK what to tell ya.

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        My dude.

        Literally the rest of the world doesn’t have this problem. So let’s start in that reality, unless you have a bunch of school shooting data to prove me wrong.

        Australia is a great example of gun control policies and how they can be used to stop public shootings like they did in the 90’s. It worked there, and literally everywhere else it’s been adopted, including here in the US with the Brady Bill. (That lapsed long ago).

        I own guns and use them. I also work in a field where they are used often.

        So I know what I’m saying when I say that there absolutely should be compromises on what types of weapons are regulated, how they function, and we should without questions require a license to get one like a car. But a conversation about these things needs to actually happen for better options to be brought to the table.

        Without Hogg and others, we’re left with a bunch of idiots that think doing nothing as our children get executed in schools is a necessity if we want to have fun with guns.

        So I find it hard to agree with anything you just said as it’s mostly a made up terror fantasy you’re substituting as factual to skip over the actual conversation about gun regulations that need to be had.

        The difference between your opinion and Hoggs is that his will effectively save children, and yours will let them die.

        There’s absolutely a middle ground. And if you don’t like his policies, you should be the one finding that middle as you weren’t the one who was shot in school as a child for the crime of being American like Hogg was.

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          IDK, in this time where federal goons are going around roughing up civilians and even politicians so blatantly, I wouldn’t want to be caught with my pants down. Things aren’t exactly primed for anti-gun folks in the zeitgeist.

          I’m no expert, but I’ve been around conservatives my whole life. Even the moderate ones are not moving one iota on guns. Unless they suffer directly they won’t even flinch on guns. IMO Dems should drop guns on their priority list until this Trump thing is long past us, if we’re so lucky.

          And now you know why I said Hogg is a no-go for me, which is my opinion.

          I don’t know why you had to insult me for stating my opinions. Surely you know that’s not an effective method to change an opinion. Hopefully those insults will save you when some gun-toting lunatic breaks in at night.

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            I’m aware of your opinion. I just don’t agree that now is a bad time to talk about kids dying. Because it’s never been a good time. I’ve been told to wait for a better time to have this conversation for two decades, and in that time there’s now hundreds more dead kids making it an even better reason to have this discussion.

            We’re adults. We can talk about all the bad things that need fixed, and we can do it all at once while other bad things are happening. Thinking otherwise is how we let this problem grow this big. Becuase it’s been easier to be distracted by bigger priorities (9/11, 2008, Covid, etc) rather than actually work on a solution.

            I’m not even advocating for banning guns at all. Just that we should have a conversation - one where we discuss what policy options could fix the accessibility problem of guns while still making your gun owning friends happy.

            Yet, I can’t even seem to get close to having that conversation with you without you somehow feeling insulted. Followed by you threatening me with violence you assume will occur to me despite me already saying I own guns and know how to use them.

            Why is it that the biggest 2A supporters are the ones who run the fastest away from the adult conversation we need to have about guns in this country? Because at least Hogg isn’t running away from the topic like you are just because it’s a “bad time”

            So of course you don’t agree with him. The point I’m making is that if you don’t, it should be you talking about it instead of postponing the conversation further. That’s how kids die. And from my position, at least Hogg is trying to stop it instead of burying his head in the sand as you have advocated for.

            So let me make this very clear: Fuck Democrats who want to ban guns, I just want them to be at least as hard to obtain as a car.

            And that unfortunately makes me more closer aligned to Hogg. But at least I’m talking about it.