• Fizz@lemmy.nz
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    I haven’t looked into it. Is there any consensus on Epstein’s death besides meme consensus? Has anything been released?

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      The consensus is that he didn’t kill himself

      Edit to expand a bit: he was in a prison cell under suicide watch & was filmed 24/7, probably also guarded 24/7. There’s simply no way for someone to kill themselves in this situation. Also consider that many, many powerful people were implicated in his pedophile ring - enough that they easily had the ability to “get rid of him” to save themselves.

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        Yeah thats what i’d heard I just thought it was a bit to blatant.

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          Robert Evans, podcaster and Journalist that I have some respect for, concluded that it could be either true suicide which is also criminal negligence or conspiracy coverup, but the negligence/suicide has more evidence. The doctor saying it’s a conspiracy coverup and is a known grifter.

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          It is incredibly blatant, but what is any one of us gonna do about it? There’s so much blatant stuff going on - like the Boeing whistleblower that died by “suicide”, or the Panama Papers. But we’re simply powerless to change anything.

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            Just want to take the opportunity to encourage people to definitely click through the Panama Papers, if you’re not yet fully beaten down by the unfairness and futility of the world. It’s something.

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            I dont think Boeing killed whistleblowers. I thought people were just having fun and didnt actually believe that one. Most of the examples people mentioned were false retelling of the events.

            Panama papers I remember being pretty fucking clear and blatant. Its a shame thats hardly ever brought up. Things have gotten so much worse.

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              As a part-time Uber driver in the state where it happened who gave a ride to one of the victim’s subordinates (!), I disagree.

              I would disagree regardless, because just look at the details of the story, but just so you know: at least some of the people who work there clearly and nervously believe he was targeted for trying to change things.

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              We don’t conclusively know whether Boeing killed whistleblowers. The police ruled it as suicide, but if you trust them do you also trust that Epstein committed suicide?

              Given that he didn’t explicitly seem suicidal to others, didn’t leave a note or give any other indication I feel it’s more likely than not that he was killed.

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        You can’t try a dead man.

        No trial, no testimonies, less evidence is made available to the public, everything adds up.