• pno2nr@lemmy.world
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        The Democrats probably learned they need to move more to the right and get rid of troublemakers like David Hogg. Whatever aipac tells them really.

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        The time for learning is over, either act or we are all heading to the last world war

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      No it’s not, the Democrats fucked themselves by not opposing Biden because it’s tradition not to.
      As long as Democrats don’t improve their own democratic process, they will keep fucking themselves.
      If Harris had been the candidate from the start, she might have had a better chance.
      Biden being obliged when he broke his promise to not run again, was absolutely a mistake by the Democratic party.
      Biden probably thought he had to save America again, and nobody told him no before it was too late.

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        If Democrats can be counted on for something: It’s that they always make the worst decisions at the worst time, then learn nothing from it.

        2000: Florida recount? Nah. It’s cool Supreme Court. Let’s have Bush around for 9-11 instead.

        2001: Fuck yeah endless wars. Approved. It’s cool to lie about weapons of mass destruction too.

        2002: Shame about that Patriot Act. Would be awful if that allowed all your meta data to be collected so you can be targeted for propaganda on every platform in the future.

        2004: Shame about No Child Left Behind. Hope your kids don’t grow up stupid enough to think Trump would make a good president.

        2008: Fuck yeah Obama! Get that HOPE ready! For Dems to have full control of every branch of the government! Only to use it to compromise with Republicans to remove the public option from national Healthcare. Hope that doesn’t create a spiral of misery for Americans culminating in them assassinating an insurance CEO!

        I’m stopping here. But only because I don’t want to keep typing about Citizens United, minimum wage, and literally the slow death of everything Democrats claim to have been protecting.

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          literally the slow death of everything Democrats claim to have been protecting.

          They also forgot to protect democracy somewhere along the way. 🙁

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            Democracy just died a death by 1000 cuts. Dems just have yet to realize it, let alone the fact they were the ones that stood by while it happened.

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              I’m pretty sure the ninety million people that didn’t vote had something to do with it also.

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                It did.

                Do you feel those 90 million were supposed to vote Dem?

                If so, by what mechanism?

                Certainly not magic. Certainly not out of some obligation to the DNC or Democrat leaders those 90 million clearly don’t have.

                The responsibility to move those 90 million towards a vote for a Democrat were the Democrats themselves.

                Yet in their failure to do so, they now blame those 90 million voters for not listening to them. Instead of the very clear fact those 90 million are just too poorly educated to understand what Democrats are even saying.

                Those 90 million choosing not to vote quite literally proves my point that Democrats blame others for their mistakes, instead of learning from them.

                Dems want to believe this country is in a condition where they don’t need to talk at a 5th grade level to get through to the majority of people. But the sad truth is that Trump talking like that won him two elections.

                Don’t blame those 90 million just because they voted for an idiot. Blame the Dems for not being able to dumb their policies down enough for the majority of this country to understand that they have a better option.

                They will continue to lose elections until they do.

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                  Do you feel those 90 million were supposed to vote Dem?

                  They were supposed to vote against a fascist. I honestly don’t care who the dems put against Trump, those 90 million people should have known well enough to vote against a fascist dictator that told them exactly what he was going to do.

                  This isn’t on the democrats.

                  If an evil genie tells you that you have a choice between cancer and a broken knee, you take the broken knee and hobble yourself home.

                  You don’t let the evil genie chose, because I’ll always be the cancer. There isn t a choice to not decide. This is how it is. Yes, it needs to change, but pouting and withholding a vote isn’t how that’s done.

                  Yeah. The democrats suck. But they’re better than cancer.

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                    In a two party system, if the choices are between cancer and fascism, then cancer is the only party that’s going to mention the other is fascist.

                    So it’s up to cancer to make it clear who the fascist is. Because the fascist is going to lie about it, as that’s what fascists do.

                    Yet they failed to convince 90 million people that the fascist was indeed going to be fascist.

                    You blame the 90 million.

                    I blame the only political party we have that’s actually responsible for making that clear.

                    Because it’s not the GOP. Or our media. They do the opposite.

                    So when it comes to what is and isn’t fascism in this country, the ONLY party that CAN be making it clear is the Democrats.

                    And they failed.

                    There was and still is a firehose of disinformation, and Dems just assumed that the majority of Americans would be smart enough to not fall for the fascists lies coming from it.

                    So they did little to counter act it. Because they assumed America wouldn’t fall for it.

                    Just like they did little to counter the effects and damage from Trumps first term. Biden just assumed Trump wouldn’t win again, so did little to nothing effective in those 4 years that would protect us against round 2.

                    Just like Hillary assumed Trump just wouldn’t win the first time, so did little to counter his messaging.

                    Ignoring Trump, and assuming America knows better, is literally how the Democrats got Trump elected both times.

                    America clearly doesn’t know better. America is NOT as smart as Democrats have continually assumed the last decade.

                    All Democrats have to do is talk at a 5th grade level to America, but that would require treating Trump like an actual threat instead of a joke.

                    They failed in everyway to treat Trump like the fascist threat he was, so those 90 million fell for the fascists bullshit instead.

                    So Democrats definitley get the blame for not being able to convince 90 million that a fascist lying conman was indeed a fascist lying conman. It wasn’t hard, they just didn’t care to try the way they should, (talking simply) as the assumed they didn’t need to (for the 3rd time).

                    Would they have been better than the fascists? Absolutely. But they clearly care more about their BS perceived norms than beating fascism. Otherwise we wouldn’t have a fascist in office again.

                    They learned nothing from the first time, then sat on their hands for the second, and just assumed people knew not to vote Trump. It’s honestly embarrassing that they failed such an easy task by simply being too arrogant to counter any of Trumps campaigns with equally simple messaging TWICE.

                    All Dems had to do was talk like Trump, and some of those 90 million would have listened.

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                    If your opponent is cancer and 90 million people shrug and go about their day, you have to wonder what you’re doing wrong. And not trying to fix it is downright criminal.

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                Has there ever been an American election where like 30% of people don’t ignore it?

                Has any election in human history had the vast majority of people turn out without it being compulsory?