The biggest complaints I hear about the DNC as a whole is they don’t do enough, and yeah no shit because Republicans have outnumbered them in the senate since 2013 and we only barely picked majority with caucusing independents.
People are upset with democrats because they are out played at every step of the game.
Take Biden’s approach to student loans. Given unilateral power to abolish and modify student loan debt, they announced it months in advance, giving time for court cases to stall the order. Court cases that were taken to a court they know was stacked against them by the rules broken by previous republicans. So it amounted to nothing. Reinstating debt is tangible harder to do, and given unilateral powers to do so, Biden chose to ignore those and set himself up for failure.
To see where this failure to recognize the political moment we are in leads, he failed to pick someone to imprison Trump for treason after Jan 6.
If you want the democrats to do better, then vote for more of them. Simple as.
Even if you don’t feel represented on a specific issue, the DNC are the party to reverse citizens united, tax the rich, and promote fair and open elections.
Pick DNC now so you can choose somebody better later.
Why didn’t Biden appoint a DOJ head that would try him for treason? This was in their power, they didn’t need more votes, they saw what happened Jan 6, why didn’t they do what needed to be done?
He was being tried up until his election as president. That’s the thing, he was never pardoned, he is literally only free from criminal court and investigations because he is president…
After waiting a year to open the investigations, and another year to establish a special counsel, then waiting until August of the next year, 2023 to indite him. Because they took so long he was elected before trial. They didn’t charge him with sedition, they didn’t stop him from campaigning, and they dismissed the case because “The (Justice) Department’s position is that the Constitution requires that this case be dismissed before the defendant is inaugurated,”
Damn, shucks, darn it, if only they had gotten lucky or maybe started a bit sooner they could have gotten to trial before their 4 years were up, but shucks guess we just have to dismiss this case about someone trying to overthrow our fucking government.
Why would I want to encourage the Democrats shitty behaviour? Voting for more of them tells them “yes, I want you to keep backing down on everything you promsed”, which I don’t want.
Even if you don’t feel represented on a specific issue, the DNC are the party to reverse citizens united, tax the rich, and promote fair and open elections.
No, those are the things they talk about doing, but as soon as they have the power, suddenly they are too busy focusing on perpetuating wars, bailing out their rich friends, and fighting against fair elections to get any of those things done
They literally already took money out of politics from 2003 to 2010. That’s what Citizens United means, it’s the court case that put money back in politics. Every DNC politician talks about overturning it but they need a SCOTUS majority or 60 Senators to do it. DNC would be taxing the rich right now as the GOP tax plan expires next year, but stupid assholes let a GOP majority in to write the new one just like they did in 2017. If you really don’t think the DNC expands ballot access and promotes fair districting, then clearly you haven’t been watching anything going on around you.
The DNC haven’t had 60 senators since 1979. Try it first, then tell me it doesn’t work.
I’ve seen them backtrack on enough things to pretty openly not believe them. They could do all kinds of finance reform around politics but keep choosing not to. They keep taking in tons of money, and fighting against the politicians that say they want to overturn CU.
If you really don’t think the DNC expands ballot access and promotes fair districting, then clearly you haven’t been watching anything going on around you.
I watch it all the time. I saw them sue to keep 3rd parties off the ballot. I saw them sabatoge Bernie’s campaign. I saw them push their own progressive party members out. I saw them push two terrible candidates for the last presidental election that their base was loudly saying they didn’t want.
So no, I don’t think they care about open elections
If that’s the biggest complaint you hear, then I feel like you should broaden your reading list.
How about:
Backing a genocide
Backing a rapist who bombed children as a presidental candidate
Telling people the economy is actually really good, when it clearly isn’t
Supporting campaigns like Trump’s
Pretending to care about things like health care, student debt, foreign wars, the housing crisis, then getting into office (with a majority), and doing jack-shit about them. Sometimes even exacerbating them
The single state solution that the current admin supports is Genocide. Before that we had a confused old man withholding purchased weapons, building a pier to distribute aid, and swearing over the phone about the consequences of attacking Rafah. Anybody who advocates against the DNC because of Israel-Palestine conflict is beyond disingenuous, you should move that to the bottom of your list to at least have some semblance of credibility.
The DNC were surprised by the Trump candidacy and you say otherwise twice on your list.
Biden was good for the economy with workers rights, wages, and public investment all increasing dramatically.
Everything else you mentioned they try constantly but can’t do much without 60 in the senate.
The single state solution that the current admin supports is Genocide.
Yeah, I never said otherwise. I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
Before that we had a confused old man withholding purchased weapons, building a pier to distribute aid, and swearing over the phone about the consequences of attacking Rafah.
You mean the child-killing, rapist and genocidist? Yeah, I saw him make a token effort with the bridge, that didn’t really help. I saw him make a few red-lines that were crossed, and his response was to send a buch more weapons to help out with the genocide.
Anybody who advocates against the DNC because of Israel-Palestine conflict is beyond disingenuous, you should move that to the bottom of your list to at least have some semblance of credibility.
I don’t see how this follows. I can be against the DNC supporting a genocide, while also being against Trump for supporting a genocide. In fact, it’s pretty easy to just universally be against genocide, no matter who is backing it.
The DNC were surprised by the Trump candidacy and you say otherwise twice on your list.
I never said they weren’t supprised by it, I said they supported it, which they did. Clinton pushed for Trump because she thought it would be an easy win.
Biden was good for the economy with workers rights, wages, and public investment all increasing dramatically.
No he wasn’t. He was good with making his rich friends richer, but housing, wages, education, medical-care, got worse. His economy was only good if you focus on the rich and ignored the working class and poor. He also shot-down the rail-workers strike when an actual pro-union president would have supported it.
Everything else you mentioned they try constantly but can’t do much without 60 in the senate.
The Dems always say that they can’t do anything, even with a majority, because the Republicans will block them. But once the Republicans have a majority, the Dems sure can’t seem to block them back.
So which is it? Does having a majority allow you to do what you want? or can you still be blocked?
It’s almost like politicians are liars, who are willing to sucker people in for votes, then toss them aside whenever it’s convenient
Yeah, I never said otherwise. I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
The Biden Admin was not a single state advocate.
The Dems always say that they can’t do anything, even with a majority, because the Republicans will block them. But once the Republicans have a majority, the Dems sure can’t seem to block them back. So which is it?
The only noteworthy bill in recent memory was the budget bill which can be filibustered but doing so is purely symbolic as budget bills qualify for passing via house reconciliation. On top of that, I already mentioned even when caucusing independents and VP 50:50 tiebreaker let DNC pick majority leader they have been outnumbered in the senate for over a decade and counting. Are you referring to some other bill? Or are you just disingenuous full of shit?
That’s fair. It was a genocidist admin though, which is what people are mad about.
Are you referring to some other bill? Or are you just disingenuous full of shit?
Where was the dems proposed bill to fix our educational system so that it doesn’t put students into debt? Where was the proposed bill to give health-care for everyone? Where was the proosed bill to fix our housing crisis? Where was the proposed bill to make the rich pay their fair share of taxes?
The Dems had the chance to propose these bills under both Biden and Obama, but they didn’t. You miss every shot that you don’t take.
Additionally, they could have used a bunch of executive orders to fix a lot of these issues, even if it was just nibbling around the edges, but chose not to. They were too busy funding wars, torture programs, and dropping bombs on kids to focus on helping out americans.
H.R. 6593 of 2024 <— This one seeks to codify a program that already existed and already reduced millions of Americans debts to $0 monthly payments and greatly reduced others payments. The Biden admin as a whole forgave tens of billions of dollars of student debts and would have wiped them all out if not for conservative AGs fighting them in the courts.
S. 1220 of 2025
The list could go back decades if you really wanted it to. Every single one of the examples you chose there were bills introduced for. The DNC literally represents your exact views and you call them a piece of shit, this is why the country is the way it is.
EDIT: The top of my comment here is flippant and low-effort. I can do better, but I’ll leave this up for transparancy
And those didn’t pass because…? I’ll leave that as an exercise in understanding gaslighting to the reader.
EDIT: Better response:
H.R. 4797 - Severly less than what I want, and never even got to a vote
S. 4897 - Looks like this got read twice, then abandoned
H.R. 2804 - Still far less than what I want, and never got to a vote
H.R. 6593 - far less than what I waned, far less than what he promised. Never went anywhere
S. 1220 - far less than what I wanted. Never went anywhere
Yet when it came to bombing innocent people, backing a genocide, cutting off the highly popular covid-aid programs, and a bunch of other stuff that I didn’t want, they sure were able to get that done. Weird, how they were so busy doing what I didn’t want, that they couldn’t push through what I did want.
I admit that I stand corrected, and they did try a few bills that were almost what I wanted, they were obviously weak-effort attempts that went nowhere. But I think my ultimate point stands though: why should I be happy about that?
/end EDIT
Biden forgave tens of billions of dollars, but that is a far cry from what he promised, and what he promised is a far cry from actually solving the problem.
They Dems couldn’t get these things done, but they sure were able to bomb the shit out of innocent people, fast-fund the border-wall, increase funding to the Pentagon, and bail out their rich friends.
The DNC literally represents your exact views and you call them a piece of shit, this is why the country is the way it is.
No, the DNC talks about these views, but when they have the chance, they never actually get them through
The biggest complaints I hear about the DNC as a whole is they don’t do enough, and yeah no shit because Republicans have outnumbered them in the senate since 2013 and we only barely picked majority with caucusing independents.
People are upset with democrats because they are out played at every step of the game.
Take Biden’s approach to student loans. Given unilateral power to abolish and modify student loan debt, they announced it months in advance, giving time for court cases to stall the order. Court cases that were taken to a court they know was stacked against them by the rules broken by previous republicans. So it amounted to nothing. Reinstating debt is tangible harder to do, and given unilateral powers to do so, Biden chose to ignore those and set himself up for failure.
To see where this failure to recognize the political moment we are in leads, he failed to pick someone to imprison Trump for treason after Jan 6.
If you want the democrats to do better, then vote for more of them. Simple as.
Even if you don’t feel represented on a specific issue, the DNC are the party to reverse citizens united, tax the rich, and promote fair and open elections.
Pick DNC now so you can choose somebody better later.
Why didn’t Trump get put in prison after Jan 6? Democrats had the power to do it, why didn’t they?
Trump would have if tens of millions of assholes didn’t reelect him.
Why didn’t Biden appoint a DOJ head that would try him for treason? This was in their power, they didn’t need more votes, they saw what happened Jan 6, why didn’t they do what needed to be done?
He was being tried up until his election as president. That’s the thing, he was never pardoned, he is literally only free from criminal court and investigations because he is president…
After waiting a year to open the investigations, and another year to establish a special counsel, then waiting until August of the next year, 2023 to indite him. Because they took so long he was elected before trial. They didn’t charge him with sedition, they didn’t stop him from campaigning, and they dismissed the case because “The (Justice) Department’s position is that the Constitution requires that this case be dismissed before the defendant is inaugurated,”
Damn, shucks, darn it, if only they had gotten lucky or maybe started a bit sooner they could have gotten to trial before their 4 years were up, but shucks guess we just have to dismiss this case about someone trying to overthrow our fucking government.
Compared to every other criminal trial that wraps up in 2 weeks.
Yoy realize that you’re asking for politicians to rush through the prosecution of their opponents, right?
Why would I want to encourage the Democrats shitty behaviour? Voting for more of them tells them “yes, I want you to keep backing down on everything you promsed”, which I don’t want.
No, those are the things they talk about doing, but as soon as they have the power, suddenly they are too busy focusing on perpetuating wars, bailing out their rich friends, and fighting against fair elections to get any of those things done
They literally already took money out of politics from 2003 to 2010. That’s what Citizens United means, it’s the court case that put money back in politics. Every DNC politician talks about overturning it but they need a SCOTUS majority or 60 Senators to do it. DNC would be taxing the rich right now as the GOP tax plan expires next year, but stupid assholes let a GOP majority in to write the new one just like they did in 2017. If you really don’t think the DNC expands ballot access and promotes fair districting, then clearly you haven’t been watching anything going on around you.
The DNC haven’t had 60 senators since 1979. Try it first, then tell me it doesn’t work.
I’ve seen them backtrack on enough things to pretty openly not believe them. They could do all kinds of finance reform around politics but keep choosing not to. They keep taking in tons of money, and fighting against the politicians that say they want to overturn CU.
I watch it all the time. I saw them sue to keep 3rd parties off the ballot. I saw them sabatoge Bernie’s campaign. I saw them push their own progressive party members out. I saw them push two terrible candidates for the last presidental election that their base was loudly saying they didn’t want.
So no, I don’t think they care about open elections
If that’s the biggest complaint you hear, then I feel like you should broaden your reading list.
How about:
Those are all just to start
The single state solution that the current admin supports is Genocide. Before that we had a confused old man withholding purchased weapons, building a pier to distribute aid, and swearing over the phone about the consequences of attacking Rafah. Anybody who advocates against the DNC because of Israel-Palestine conflict is beyond disingenuous, you should move that to the bottom of your list to at least have some semblance of credibility.
The DNC were surprised by the Trump candidacy and you say otherwise twice on your list.
Biden was good for the economy with workers rights, wages, and public investment all increasing dramatically.
Everything else you mentioned they try constantly but can’t do much without 60 in the senate.
Yeah, I never said otherwise. I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
You mean the child-killing, rapist and genocidist? Yeah, I saw him make a token effort with the bridge, that didn’t really help. I saw him make a few red-lines that were crossed, and his response was to send a buch more weapons to help out with the genocide.
I don’t see how this follows. I can be against the DNC supporting a genocide, while also being against Trump for supporting a genocide. In fact, it’s pretty easy to just universally be against genocide, no matter who is backing it.
I never said they weren’t supprised by it, I said they supported it, which they did. Clinton pushed for Trump because she thought it would be an easy win.
No he wasn’t. He was good with making his rich friends richer, but housing, wages, education, medical-care, got worse. His economy was only good if you focus on the rich and ignored the working class and poor. He also shot-down the rail-workers strike when an actual pro-union president would have supported it.
The Dems always say that they can’t do anything, even with a majority, because the Republicans will block them. But once the Republicans have a majority, the Dems sure can’t seem to block them back. So which is it? Does having a majority allow you to do what you want? or can you still be blocked? It’s almost like politicians are liars, who are willing to sucker people in for votes, then toss them aside whenever it’s convenient
The Biden Admin was not a single state advocate.
The only noteworthy bill in recent memory was the budget bill which can be filibustered but doing so is purely symbolic as budget bills qualify for passing via house reconciliation. On top of that, I already mentioned even when caucusing independents and VP 50:50 tiebreaker let DNC pick majority leader they have been outnumbered in the senate for over a decade and counting. Are you referring to some other bill? Or are you just disingenuous full of shit?
That’s fair. It was a genocidist admin though, which is what people are mad about.
Where was the dems proposed bill to fix our educational system so that it doesn’t put students into debt? Where was the proposed bill to give health-care for everyone? Where was the proosed bill to fix our housing crisis? Where was the proposed bill to make the rich pay their fair share of taxes?
The Dems had the chance to propose these bills under both Biden and Obama, but they didn’t. You miss every shot that you don’t take.
Additionally, they could have used a bunch of executive orders to fix a lot of these issues, even if it was just nibbling around the edges, but chose not to. They were too busy funding wars, torture programs, and dropping bombs on kids to focus on helping out americans.
H.R.4797 of 2021
S. 4897 of 2022
H.R. 2804 of 2018 and 2021
H.R. 6593 of 2024 <— This one seeks to codify a program that already existed and already reduced millions of Americans debts to $0 monthly payments and greatly reduced others payments. The Biden admin as a whole forgave tens of billions of dollars of student debts and would have wiped them all out if not for conservative AGs fighting them in the courts.
S. 1220 of 2025
The list could go back decades if you really wanted it to. Every single one of the examples you chose there were bills introduced for. The DNC literally represents your exact views and you call them a piece of shit, this is why the country is the way it is.
EDIT: The top of my comment here is flippant and low-effort. I can do better, but I’ll leave this up for transparancy
And those didn’t pass because…? I’ll leave that as an exercise in understanding gaslighting to the reader.
EDIT: Better response:
H.R. 4797 - Severly less than what I want, and never even got to a vote
S. 4897 - Looks like this got read twice, then abandoned
H.R. 2804 - Still far less than what I want, and never got to a vote
H.R. 6593 - far less than what I waned, far less than what he promised. Never went anywhere
S. 1220 - far less than what I wanted. Never went anywhere
Yet when it came to bombing innocent people, backing a genocide, cutting off the highly popular covid-aid programs, and a bunch of other stuff that I didn’t want, they sure were able to get that done. Weird, how they were so busy doing what I didn’t want, that they couldn’t push through what I did want.
I admit that I stand corrected, and they did try a few bills that were almost what I wanted, they were obviously weak-effort attempts that went nowhere. But I think my ultimate point stands though: why should I be happy about that?
/end EDIT
Biden forgave tens of billions of dollars, but that is a far cry from what he promised, and what he promised is a far cry from actually solving the problem.
They Dems couldn’t get these things done, but they sure were able to bomb the shit out of innocent people, fast-fund the border-wall, increase funding to the Pentagon, and bail out their rich friends.
No, the DNC talks about these views, but when they have the chance, they never actually get them through