An analysis of the MoH methodology, the exacerbating challenges it faces as the war continues, and estimates from independent researchers and humanitarian organisations.

An analysis of the Gaza MoH methodology, the exacerbating challenges it faces as the war continues, and estimates from independent researchers and humanitarian organisations.

  • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
    213·
    13 days ago

    Oh yeah cause the genocidal intent hasn’t been shown over and over again through the public statements put out there by sitting members of the Israeli government. We must all suffer from collective amnesia.

    • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      417·
      13 days ago

      Comments by extremists in the immediate aftermath of a traumatic terror attack don’t establish genocidal intent. The actions over the past year clearly aren’t in line with those comments.

      • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
        122·
        13 days ago

        “immediate aftermath”

        They’re still making those comments up to this day. They’re even attending conferences on settling Gaza where expelling Palestinians from their ancestral lands is a commonly discussed and widespread idea, which in turn constitutes ethnic cleansing and in combination with their statements and actions can amount to genocide.

        I won’t discuss why water is wet. The fact that Israel is committing a genocide has been discussed by various UN officials, ICC officials, and experts on genocide. Go argue with them.

        • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          513·
          13 days ago

          I don’t give a crap what has been “discussed” - the facts clearly show that they aren’t committing genocide. The world knows what an actual genocide looks like.

          • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
            83·
            13 days ago

            “”“the world”“” aka the five countries fueling the genocide with their own separate set of “”“facts”“”

            • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
              511·
              13 days ago

              You missed my point.

              The world knows what genocide looks like because we’ve seen it. And it looks nothing like what is happening in Gaza.

              • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
                42·
                12 days ago

                You seem to talk for the entire world. I wonder who put you in charge.

      • ashar@infosec.pubOPEnglish
        51·
        12 days ago

        Sir, your president is quoted in the genocide case (South Africa vs Israel) as one of the inciters to genocide.

        • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          47·
          12 days ago

          First of all, he’s not my president. I’m not Israeli.

          Second, comments made by certain people in the immediate aftermath of a traumatic terror attack aren’t proof of genocidal intent. He has clarified his position since then.

          Also, have you ever wondered why South Africa of all countries brought the case to the ICJ? Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that they entertained Hamas leaders as visiting dignitaries a month before they submitted the case?

          • ashar@infosec.pubOPEnglish
            21·
            11 days ago

            Also, have you ever wondered why South Africa of all countries brought the case to the ICJ? Probably because they are deeply offended by the Israeli apartheid and they are even more against genocide?

            Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that they entertained Hamas leaders as visiting dignitaries a month before they submitted the case? Um, yes. Why would they not do this?

            Ah, you classify Hamas as a terrorist organisation… Since South Africa regards Hamas to be a resistance movement (and this is the position of most of the world), coordinating with them would be sensible.

            • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
              12·
              11 days ago

              LOL, it is not the position of most of the world that Hamas is a resistance movement. It is only the position of radical Islamists and Western leftist anarchists.

              They are an organization that formed for the purpose of committing genocide and they have been responsible for the barbaric murder of thousands of civilians. They are as terrorist as you can get.

              By the way, there is mounting evidence that support among Gazans for peaceful coexistence with Israel is much higher than previously thought. Evidence, for example, that Hamas has been fudging the numbers on their surveys that show otherwise, recent surveys that show much more positive results, and with the death of Sinwar and damage to Hamas, Gazans are starting to speak out against them. If that is indeed true, it destroys the whole “resistance” and “decolonization” narrative since they wouldn’t actually represent the people for whom they claim to be resisting.