Who said Iran was behind the Oct 7th attack? Nothing they’ve been doing for the past 8 months seems to indicate they wanted this conflict. Arming Hamas is one thing. Greenlighting that kind of operation is another thing entirely. And on this argument, which has no evidence, israel decides to go ahead and assassinate a high ranking Iranian military man. So are you really condemning Iran for retaliating for something like that?
You talk about not believing Iran to be the voice of reason but you just completely dismiss everything Israel has been doing to escalate into a regional war. This war didn’t start in October. Israel was regularly killing and relocating Palestinians for generations.
Even with this genocidal campaign going on, Iran and Hezbollah have been showing a lot of restraint in avoiding an all out war. Iran isn’t perfect. But they’re not lead by genocidal monster hellbent on prolonging a war to stay in power. They’re not the ones targeting schools and hospitals during busy times to maximize casualties. They’re not the ones assassinating journalists to prevent people understanding just how brutal they are being to the Palestinians. So yes, in comparison they are the voice of reason in the region.
Who said Iran was behind the Oct 7th attack? Nothing they’ve been doing for the past 8 months seems to indicate they wanted this conflict. Arming Hamas is one thing. Greenlighting that kind of operation is another thing entirely. And on this argument, which has no evidence, israel decides to go ahead and assassinate a high ranking Iranian military man. So are you really condemning Iran for retaliating for something like that?
Yes, I am condemning Iran for using Palestine and hamas to attack Israel, it is very clear.
You talk about not believing Iran to be the voice of reason but you just completely dismiss everything Israel has been doing to escalate into a regional war. This war didn’t start in October. Israel was regularly killing and relocating Palestinians for generations.
I didn’t dismiss what Israel has done, I called it exactly as it is, things don’t exist in a vacuum, there is one layer where Israel killed 50000 Palestinians among whom 1/3 are hamas. At this level, bibi shat his bed, but there is no way to remove him and the attack just gave him more power. There is another layer where Iran and Israel are disputing the influence over 400 million people in the middle east and Israel is losing because of what it has done. That is no reason to deliver the whole region to Iran, seeing how far they are willing to go to get results.
Even with this genocidal campaign going on, Iran and Hezbollah have been showing a lot of restraint in avoiding an all out war. Iran isn’t perfect. But they’re not lead by genocidal monster hellbent on prolonging a war to stay in power. They’re not the ones targeting schools and hospitals during busy times to maximize casualties. They’re not the ones assassinating journalists to prevent people understanding just how brutal they are being to the Palestinians. So yes, in comparison they are the voice of reason in the region.
From any pov a posteriori, Iran should have shown restraint by preventing their “honorary general” Haniyeh from allowing Oct 7th. Now they are acting high and mighty by trying to go back to Oct 6th statu quo ante. But sure, anything is better than what there is right now or something even worse.
You’re making a lot of accusations regarding Iran being behind Oct 7th. No proof, though. Do you happen to have any? In fact, it came out pretty early that countries like Egypt tried to warn Israel about this attack, but they ignored it. Couple that with the fact that Bibi and the Israeli government has openly said that funding Hamas helps them in the long run one could think that they allowed it to happen.
What kind of proof do you need? That the leader of a terrorist organization attended the inauguration of the new President of Iran? Or that they want to go to war to avenge the killing of some guy who they had no business with and who wasn’t useful to them? The reaction to the killing with the Ayatollah leading the funeral says everything to anyone who wants to see it. It was practically a state funeral.
I can’t imagine there exists proof of communications or documents or photos of weapons shipments, but none of that would convince you either.
Hey, maybe you’re right Oct 7th was a stupid unforced error on the part of hamas done for no real reason, with no real aim beyond trying to show the World how evil Israel is by inevitably retaliating and killing Palestinian civilians in urban warfare. We can discuss how that fascist idiot bibi played a stupid game with internal politics and found out, maybe he even allowed it to happen, it would not be out of the realm of possibility. But the deep ties and coordination that Iran nurtures with Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas are part of Iran’s strategy since the 90s.
Thanks for finally admitting that there is no evidence Iran was behind the Oct 7th attack. Now, can we get back to the discussion and acknowledge that Israel is doing its best to escalate this conflict, US is doing nothing about it, and Iran is actually trying to de-escalate the whole situation? Or are you going to throw more whataboutisms around?
They are trying to deescalate what they enabled. You say bibi enabled hamas, well, so did Iran at least as much. Good for Iran, it beats saying that they are going to destroy Israel for killing one of the Oct 7th organizers who they backed and mourned dearly for. And yes, it was stupid too for Israel to kill Haniyeh if they wanted a ceasefire. bibi will not agree to a ceasefire until he is sure that he won’t have trump backing him from November onwards. Everything is in the hands of idiots at this point.
Who said Iran was behind the Oct 7th attack? Nothing they’ve been doing for the past 8 months seems to indicate they wanted this conflict. Arming Hamas is one thing. Greenlighting that kind of operation is another thing entirely. And on this argument, which has no evidence, israel decides to go ahead and assassinate a high ranking Iranian military man. So are you really condemning Iran for retaliating for something like that?
You talk about not believing Iran to be the voice of reason but you just completely dismiss everything Israel has been doing to escalate into a regional war. This war didn’t start in October. Israel was regularly killing and relocating Palestinians for generations.
Even with this genocidal campaign going on, Iran and Hezbollah have been showing a lot of restraint in avoiding an all out war. Iran isn’t perfect. But they’re not lead by genocidal monster hellbent on prolonging a war to stay in power. They’re not the ones targeting schools and hospitals during busy times to maximize casualties. They’re not the ones assassinating journalists to prevent people understanding just how brutal they are being to the Palestinians. So yes, in comparison they are the voice of reason in the region.
Yes, I am condemning Iran for using Palestine and hamas to attack Israel, it is very clear.
I didn’t dismiss what Israel has done, I called it exactly as it is, things don’t exist in a vacuum, there is one layer where Israel killed 50000 Palestinians among whom 1/3 are hamas. At this level, bibi shat his bed, but there is no way to remove him and the attack just gave him more power. There is another layer where Iran and Israel are disputing the influence over 400 million people in the middle east and Israel is losing because of what it has done. That is no reason to deliver the whole region to Iran, seeing how far they are willing to go to get results.
From any pov a posteriori, Iran should have shown restraint by preventing their “honorary general” Haniyeh from allowing Oct 7th. Now they are acting high and mighty by trying to go back to Oct 6th statu quo ante. But sure, anything is better than what there is right now or something even worse.
You’re making a lot of accusations regarding Iran being behind Oct 7th. No proof, though. Do you happen to have any? In fact, it came out pretty early that countries like Egypt tried to warn Israel about this attack, but they ignored it. Couple that with the fact that Bibi and the Israeli government has openly said that funding Hamas helps them in the long run one could think that they allowed it to happen.
What kind of proof do you need? That the leader of a terrorist organization attended the inauguration of the new President of Iran? Or that they want to go to war to avenge the killing of some guy who they had no business with and who wasn’t useful to them? The reaction to the killing with the Ayatollah leading the funeral says everything to anyone who wants to see it. It was practically a state funeral.
I can’t imagine there exists proof of communications or documents or photos of weapons shipments, but none of that would convince you either.
Hey, maybe you’re right Oct 7th was a stupid unforced error on the part of hamas done for no real reason, with no real aim beyond trying to show the World how evil Israel is by inevitably retaliating and killing Palestinian civilians in urban warfare. We can discuss how that fascist idiot bibi played a stupid game with internal politics and found out, maybe he even allowed it to happen, it would not be out of the realm of possibility. But the deep ties and coordination that Iran nurtures with Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas are part of Iran’s strategy since the 90s.
It’s like when people keep saying that the US is complicit in all that Israel does, same with Iran and groups like hamas. I just didn’t expect it to be that blatant. e.g. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranians-mourn-hamas-leader-haniyehs-assassination-2024-08-01/
Thanks for finally admitting that there is no evidence Iran was behind the Oct 7th attack. Now, can we get back to the discussion and acknowledge that Israel is doing its best to escalate this conflict, US is doing nothing about it, and Iran is actually trying to de-escalate the whole situation? Or are you going to throw more whataboutisms around?
They are trying to deescalate what they enabled. You say bibi enabled hamas, well, so did Iran at least as much. Good for Iran, it beats saying that they are going to destroy Israel for killing one of the Oct 7th organizers who they backed and mourned dearly for. And yes, it was stupid too for Israel to kill Haniyeh if they wanted a ceasefire. bibi will not agree to a ceasefire until he is sure that he won’t have trump backing him from November onwards. Everything is in the hands of idiots at this point.
Aaaand we’re back to full circle. How did they enable this?
Funding, military and political support since the 90s. You want sources?
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