• Sundial@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    You’re making a lot of accusations regarding Iran being behind Oct 7th. No proof, though. Do you happen to have any? In fact, it came out pretty early that countries like Egypt tried to warn Israel about this attack, but they ignored it. Couple that with the fact that Bibi and the Israeli government has openly said that funding Hamas helps them in the long run one could think that they allowed it to happen.

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      3 months ago

      What kind of proof do you need? That the leader of a terrorist organization attended the inauguration of the new President of Iran? Or that they want to go to war to avenge the killing of some guy who they had no business with and who wasn’t useful to them? The reaction to the killing with the Ayatollah leading the funeral says everything to anyone who wants to see it. It was practically a state funeral.

      I can’t imagine there exists proof of communications or documents or photos of weapons shipments, but none of that would convince you either.

      Hey, maybe you’re right Oct 7th was a stupid unforced error on the part of hamas done for no real reason, with no real aim beyond trying to show the World how evil Israel is by inevitably retaliating and killing Palestinian civilians in urban warfare. We can discuss how that fascist idiot bibi played a stupid game with internal politics and found out, maybe he even allowed it to happen, it would not be out of the realm of possibility. But the deep ties and coordination that Iran nurtures with Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas are part of Iran’s strategy since the 90s.

      It’s like when people keep saying that the US is complicit in all that Israel does, same with Iran and groups like hamas. I just didn’t expect it to be that blatant. e.g. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranians-mourn-hamas-leader-haniyehs-assassination-2024-08-01/

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        3 months ago

        Thanks for finally admitting that there is no evidence Iran was behind the Oct 7th attack. Now, can we get back to the discussion and acknowledge that Israel is doing its best to escalate this conflict, US is doing nothing about it, and Iran is actually trying to de-escalate the whole situation? Or are you going to throw more whataboutisms around?

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          3 months ago

          They are trying to deescalate what they enabled. You say bibi enabled hamas, well, so did Iran at least as much. Good for Iran, it beats saying that they are going to destroy Israel for killing one of the Oct 7th organizers who they backed and mourned dearly for. And yes, it was stupid too for Israel to kill Haniyeh if they wanted a ceasefire. bibi will not agree to a ceasefire until he is sure that he won’t have trump backing him from November onwards. Everything is in the hands of idiots at this point.

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            3 months ago

            Aaaand we’re back to full circle. How did they enable this?

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              3 months ago

              Funding, military and political support since the 90s. You want sources?

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                  3 months ago

                  We’re going in circles indeed. I’m not blaming the whole thing on Iran, I said it multiple times.

                  Hamas decided to attack Israel. Israel decided to slaughter Palestinians for it.

                  This is what you said upstairs as a reply to my:

                  Iran decided to fight Israel to the last Palestinian, how noble.

                  Now answer me, did the “help” Iran provided hamas help Palestinians on Oct 7th? Did it free them?