I just installed EndeavorOS on an HP Spectre360 that’s roughly 2 years old. I am honestly surprised at how easy it went. If you google it, you’ll get a lot of “lol good luck installing linux on that” type posts - so I was ready for a battle.

Turned off secure boot and tpm. Booted off a usb stick. Live environment, check. Start installer and wipe drive. Few minutes later I’m in. Ok let’s find out what’s not working…

WiFi check. Bluetooth check. Sound check (although a little quiet). Keyboard check. Screen resolution check. Hibernates correctly? Check. WTF I can’t believe this all works out the box. The touchscreen? Check. The stylus pen check. Flipping the screen over to a tablet check. Jesus H.

Ok, everything just works. Huh. Who’d have thunk?

Install programs, log into accounts, jeez this laptop is snappier than on windows. Make things pretty for my wife and install some fun games and stuff.

Finished. Ez. Why did I wait so long? Google was wrong - it was cake.

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    Yes it literally has come a long way, all the way from 1991 to 2024, I think the only other OS that has managed that is Windows.
    I know that’s not quite what you meant, it was just a thought I came to think of reading the headline.

    But apart from that, it’s also become quite good, but IMO it has been for more than a decade now.

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      It kind of was what I meant. My first Linux experience was in 93 - I wanted to run X on my 486 so I could use maple and other Unix programs from the mainframe in college. Thank god for my comp sci roommate-I don’t think I could have figured it out on my own back then.

      Flash forward through the decades and here I am running all the games I want through steam and bottles. Win10 updates are crapping on themselves requiring a reload - I try linux on it expecting it to mostly work, but having a few annoying issues that will be a bear to solve. Nope, it just worked.

      It’s impressive to me. A bunch of nerds on the internet mostly volunteered their way into a better OS than the big boys have made.

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        Yes it is absolutely cool. 😎
        I tried Linux earlier, but didn’t find it really useful until 2005 when I switched to Linux as my main OS, but games were a huge problem, so I had to dual boot for a couple of years, before I dropped Windows completely.

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      1991 to 2024, I think the only other OS that has managed that is Windows.

      Also the various BSD-based OSs. FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD etc. are still around, and MacOS is based on BSD too. And since BSD (1978) is a Unix, you can trace these all the way back to 1969.

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        That’s kind of true, but MacOS and Mac OSX are 2 different things. What is based on BSD is the MAC OSX that came out in 2001 AFAIK.

        And BSD was interrupted for 2 years because of copyright disputes with AT&T. If that hadn’t happened, BSD would be the longest continuous OS today, and probably way more significant than it is.

        I don’t consider MAC OSX as part of BSD, just like Android isn’t part of Linux Desktop, but only uses the Linux kernel. OSX took parts of BSD and shielded it behind a proprietary wall, because the BSD license offer no protection from that. So they become separate projects the moment they enter the Apple domain.

        Problem here is when people mix up the use of the word Linux as an OS with Linux the kernel. I am 100% sure OP meant Linux as a Desktop OS like GNU/Linux or something like Free desktop according to freedesktop.org. Using his experience with EndeavorOS as an example.

        But you are right, it can be said Unix/BSD has an even longer running time, but it has been somewhat problematic and interrupted because of AT&T and SCO and Novell.

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          Let’s get even more technical with MacOS X then. Which, btw, doesn’t exist anymore as macOS 11 was released in 2020 (tho it still maintains the BSD-legacy in the same way Windows 10 does the NT legacy). It is based on the NeXTSTEP operating system from NeXT Computers, who Apple bought in the 90s to famously also bring Steve Jobs back into the fold. The initial release of NeXTSTEP occurred in 1989, pre-dating Windows and Linux…

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          I don’t consider MAC OSX as part of BSD, just like Android isn’t part of Linux Desktop, but only uses the Linux kernel. OSX took parts of BSD and shielded it behind a proprietary wall, because the BSD license offer no protection from that. So they become separate projects the moment they enter the Apple domain.

          Check : What happened to the open source Apple Darwin OS then ?

          tl;dr : Darwin OS is kind of obsoleted.

          Up to Darwin 8.0.1, released in April 2005, Apple released a binary installer (as an ISO image) after each major Mac OS X release that allowed one to install Darwin on PowerPC and Intel x86 systems as a standalone operating system.[12] Minor updates were released as packages that were installed separately. Darwin is now only available as source code. As of January 2023, Apple no longer mentions Darwin by name on its Open Source website and only publishes an incomplete collection of open-source projects relating to macOS and iOS.

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          If that hadn’t happened, BSD would be the longest continuous OS today, and probably way more significant than it is.

          Or if the GNU project had used the BSD kernel instead of deciding to make their own from scratch.

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          That’s kind of true, but MacOS and Mac OSX are 2 different things

          Then Windows 3.0 and Windows 11 are two different things, so by that metric you can’t include Windows either.

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            I’d agree with that.

            I think the windows NT lineage should be considered separately from the MS-DOS based ones (pre win 2000).

            So I’d say MS-Dos family died with windows 2000. and the current windows lineage traces back to the early windows NT business oriented stuff - not back through windows 95.

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              So I’d say MS-Dos family died with windows 2000.

              Did you mean Windows Me?

              2000 was NT-based.

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      all the way from 1991 to 2024, I think the only other OS that has managed that is Windows

      It’s easy to forget about MacOS when it only has 15% desktop market share.

      Operating systems that started before 1991 that are still in active development (had a release in the last 12 months):

      • Multics (1969-)
      • MVS (1974-) via OS/390 (1995-) -> z/OS (2001-)
      • VMS (1977) via OpenVMS (1992-)
      • BSD (1978-) via 386BSD -> FreeBSD, NetBSD -> OpenBSD
      • HP-UX (1982-)
      • SunOS (1982-1994) via Solaris (1992-)
      • MacOS (1984-)
      • AIX (1986-)
      • RISC OS (1987-)

      Almost made it:

      • Minix (1987-2017)
      • Genera (1982-2021)
      • AmigaOS (1985-2021)
      • NeXTSTEP (1987-1997) via GNUStep (1993-2021)
      • IBM i (1988-2022)
      • SpartaDOS (1988-2022)