• 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    I think I’ve eventually arrived at “Everything is an illusion but it’s the only illusion we have, so it’s as real as anything else.” Everything we experience is a subjective response to a stimuli and no two people have that exact same response. It’s irrelevant whether we’re meat golems piloted by ghosts, dream figments, or NPCs in a massive simulation, because we live in a world with billions of others, and what we do matters to ourselves and those others.

    I guess recognizing everyone else as real puts me in the Everything Is Real camp.

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
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      2 hours ago

      most people only have issues with stuff being real when it upsets them. and the response to hurt feelings, is ‘it must/should not exist’.

      when they like it, they are totally on board with it’s reality.

      but most folks are too big brained to admit that’s the motivating factor. and also, that a most of us are raging hypocrites about it and refuse to acknowledge things exist outside our knowledge of them.

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    12 hours ago

    I wish reality was subjective, because then I could imagine it isn’t what it is right now and it wouldn’t be.

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      10 hours ago

      Oh but it is.

      One’s reality is entirely constructed from their interpretations.

      The problem is that it’s a difficult state to remain in due to the ensnarement which comes from sharing reality with others. There’s a reason why ‘enlightened’ folk live on mountain tops.

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        5 hours ago

        Gravity applies no matter how far away you are.

        Reality might be completely constructed from interpretation if there were no outside forces in play. But if your atoms are interacting with other atoms, you’re beholden to their rules.

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          2 hours ago

          yes, but you can’t convince people of that if they deny gravity is real.

          the issue we have these days is gravity deniers get together and egg each other on in their delusions and create ever more elaborate theories to defend their denial of reality.

          hell, many lemmy instances are created specifically for that purpose… because their theories often put that at odds with the general public.

        • MrOtingocni@lemmy.world
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          4 hours ago

          You are referring to some overarching reality, with a capital R, which is unknowable in its entirety. Contrast that to one’s own reality, which is both more and less real than the ‘outside world’. There are physical and social forces acting upon us all the time, but how we feel about them, when we even notice them, is what creates our internal reality. Which is vastly more important to our quality of life.

          The rules can be bent.

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            3 hours ago

            It feels like you’re using the word reality as a duplicate of the phrase personal experience. In that case I would agree. You can absolutely choose how you feel about the things you perceive.

            But no amount of choosing how you feel gets you to fly. And no amount of thinking you can fly will ever prove you to be right when you try and fail.

            Though you can certainly feel like it’s worth trying again if you’re so choose.

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              2 hours ago

              It’s a deliberate use of the word. Because people’s personal experience is their reality. Even among scientists, objective truth isn’t necessarily agreed upon, so aside from specific cases, it’s hard to use it as a guide post towards navigating life. Like you said, there are certainly hard facts in the world which impact us, but how we perceive and interpret these phenomena, how we grapple with theory of mind, creates our reality.

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            3 hours ago

            If that sounds a little too woo-woo then how about a more practical and fun example.

            Your nose takes up 10 to 15% of your vision.

            The capital R reality is that photons are bouncing off of your nose and entering your eye. Your eyes are seeing your nose. And yet, unless pointed out most of the time you don’t even notice that your vision is nose-less when, in fact, a nose is constantly in your field of vision.

            Your mind has edited out the existence of your nose.

            That’s not woo, that’s neurobiology. But so is the conscious construction of your reality. If you think about getting into a fight, your heart races, despite there being no real threat.

            Now if a baseball suddenly hit you on the nose, you would be quite aware of capital R reality making it’s presence known upon you. But how you perceive why that happened and what it means determines the rest of your reality.

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            52 minutes ago

            It’s not news. And arguably this is the type of thing where you benefit from seeing the actual person talking because they have personal experience of what they are talking about. It’s more than just conveying words.

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          7 hours ago

          What a great video so far. I’m on break so I could only catch half of it but I am excited to see the rest when I get home.

          Reminds me of the Buddhist practice of negating every label one has for themselves. What’s left? The ineffable.

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            6 hours ago

            Glad you like it! He’s from a related system (advaita/tantra) so if you know anything of Buddhism, he would sound familiar. He just has stripped away pretty much all of the cultural trappings and focuses purely on the core nondual philosophy and practice.

            Also he’s what’s called a “householder”, tantra being primarily a “householder” tradition. Meaning, no sitting alone on mountaintops, it’s realization while engaged with the world.

  • story@lemmy.zip
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    11 hours ago

    this is really very good, did you make this? if not, where did you find it?

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    13 hours ago

    Where’s “we live in a simulation and if you take enough drugs you can see the code in a laser beam”? Off the scale?

  • Bonsoir@lemmy.ca
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    12 hours ago

    I wish reality was objective, so I wouldn’t have to worry about it :3