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  • Again for clarity i think its fine that people use ddg, its betters then bing and google. But the absolute trust people seem to have is wild considering all of this. I occasionally use both ddg and startpage myself

    The summary of my evidence is the hyperlink in my first comment.

    Back on topic;

    Hé doesn’t say that, the trackers are being blocked since 2022 since microsoft agreed to change the policy. Thats also in my original link

    I guess you could believe this was unrelated that this happened just after it became a scandal but i am not that naive.

    As a response to the scandal the ceo has the following to say.

    For non-search tracker blocking (eg in our browser), we block most third-party trackers. Unfortunately our Microsoft search syndication agreement prevents us from doing more to Microsoft-owned properties. However, we have been continually pushing and expect to be doing more soon.

    Bleeping computers, who originally ran this story hit the nail on its head with

    “While DuckDuckGo has been transparent regarding the advertisement partnership with Microsoft, it is not clear why they did not disclose the allowing of Microsoft trackers until a security researcher discovered it.

    This revelation comes at the wrong time, as DuckDuckGo recently went after Google for their new ‘Topics’ and ‘FLEDGE’ tracking methods, saying, “Google says they’re better for privacy, but the simple fact is tracking is tracking, no matter what you call it.”

    Especially that last part is something ddg seemed to really want to forget cause after the ceo came with the following.

    "We have always been extremely careful to never promise anonymity when browsing, because that frankly isn’t possible given how quickly trackers change how they work to evade protections and the tools we currently offer. When most other browsers on the market talk about tracking protection, they are usually referring to 3rd-party cookie protection and fingerprinting protection, and our browsers for iOS, Android, and our new Mac beta, impose these restrictions on third-party tracking scripts, including those from Microsoft.

    Thats a huge leap in attitude from tracking is tracking…

    You are allowed to trust this guy, i see no reason why anyone would and i am gonna continue to get people to remain critical.

    On the browser, i legit didn’t know there where 2 products but i don’t think that matters regardless trusting this corporation.




  • They have a long standing corporate deal with microsoft.

    The details are vague but this is not hidden, or kept secret.

    Ddg has themselves said that the policy that required them to give exclusive acces to Microsoft trackers no longer applied and now blocks them since 2022. This is on the Wikipedia i shared.

    But if you read between them lines. They are following Microsoft policies, if they are now allowed to block those trackers its because microslop allowed them to do so.

    Tech companies only do such thing if they have incentives. A more covert way to get the same data, a long term plan to acquire and otherwise for PR.

    Searxng also uses those same search querys but without corporate deal. Thats why if you refresh a lot you hit an api limit… any search engine that does not do that while using these trackers is somehow paying or bartering for access.










  • I have a router with opnsense which has q plugin for wireguard making things quite easy for me.

    A router is usually also always online and sits at the center of a network so it is the best place for it but there is nothing stopping someone from setting it up with commandline on a home device.

    https://www.wireguard.com/quickstart/

    There are many online video guides that cover different ways to do it (like docker)

    In all casss you first setup a main server on the device that stays home and from it you generate a peer per device you want to connect. (A bunch of settings/codes) Sometimes a peer is a qr code that your device can scan (wireguard app for some devices) otherwise you have to manualy type.

    Once set you can just leave it on. The only exception i found is some apps for local payments, presumably because they require both devices to report the same location to perform a transaction.


  • It is a valid use case. But thats not my usecase by far, which is what was asked.

    My comment is slightly directed at people i know irl that are not very technological and believe that surfing the web is inherently not safe, but completely safe one you pay to connect to name_tm.

    My apologies if it felt condescending for people who have good reason to tunnel outside there local jurisdiction.


  • I get the idea but all of it depends on placing your trust in some company who’s entire business model is to sell you privacy.

    If you live in an area with such heavy censorship then can you trust the business that is legally allowed to advertise and sell to you?

    I personally think such company is way more likely to sell my data on the dark web then the government has resources to investigate what web domains i have visited.