• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    5 hours ago

    pretty sure it was well known right after the attack, even egypt warned israel 10days ahead. and benny knew(orchestrated it?)

  • b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    10 hours ago

    Funded Hamas. Knew about attacks in advance. Delayed response to attacks. Used the Hannibal Directive and sent in Apache helicopters to murder as many as possible. Just normal everyday Israeli behaviour.

  • hexdream@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    I may be misremembering, but according to YouTube they (in Netanyahus government) had referred to Oct 7 as “the miracle” as it gave them the pretext for their actions in response . This was just before the genocide allegations started gaining prominence.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    This is only surprising if you didn’t know Netanyahu has been funding Hamas for decades…

    But reporting in the New York Times has revealed that Netanyahu’s government was more hands-on about helping Hamas: they helped a Qatari diplomat bring suitcases of cash into Gaza, indirectly boosting the militant organization, according to the report.

    The calculus — the Times reported on Sunday, citing Israeli officials, Netanyahu’s critics, and the man’s own reported statements — was to keep Hamas strong enough to counteract the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, allowing Netanyahu to avoid a two-state peace solution and keep both sides weak.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?op=1

    He didn’t just let them attack, he’s the reason Hamas continued to exist in the first place. They don’t want to end Hamas, they want to use Hamas as an excuse to genocide Palestinians.

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      4 hours ago

      all the lovely racist conspiracies coming out to play in this post

      i think lemmings might have a problem

  • CannonFodder@lemmy.world
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    Not saying he isn’t a douche, but I do wonder with this and reports pre 9/11 to W, how many such warnings do they get regularly? If they get a bunch, it’s not really fair to go back and cherry pick the ones that happened to play out. I know in both cases there’s weird looking stuff where resources were moved away just before - but once again, how often do such shifts happen normally? Are we just picking stuff out of the noise? I really don’t know, and I doubt anyone here does.

    • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world
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      A handful of the Israeli soldiers who were on duty protecting the wall have been saying for over a year that they got conflicting orders that morning, how they were told to stand down, and of course it all then unfolded as it did.

      Some of the soldiers were haunted by this and spoke out; I saw an interview involving one of those soldiers (in Hebrew, subbed in English) and it was undeniably real, just going by this guy struggling to get through talking about it. If I can find a link for it I’ll post it.

      But no, this wasn’t just any regular morning. They do get regular breach warnings on the wall, but they have a protocol for that, which is one of the things these soldiers explained in the interview. They get a barrier notification or some other indication of breach, they notify their immediate superior, and that person kicks it up the chain while they go out to take a physical look at it. In this particular case, these soldiers were directly ordered not to go out before any notification was received. In his own words, he was serving in the Gaza area, and did not hesitate to respond to ANY sign that there was a breach. “For every little thing we’d jump the fence, every little thing.”

      But that morning they got the order not to do so. About an hour after this order was passed down is when the killing started. This is why he is haunted. He genuinely feels like they could have stopped it, or at least slowed it down, and were prevented from doing so. He also personally lost a leg that day, and many of his friends.

      EDITED TO ADD: I looked in my history and found the article. It’s not just an interview but has footage of the soldier testifying before the Knesset, Israel’s congress. The video is on X embedded in the article, and it includes the audio recording of the orders his unit were given that morning to stand down an hour BEFORE any breach notifications were received.

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        12 hours ago

        Geesh. Did the Knesset follow up on where the orders came from? I guess they won’t report that publicly tho.

        • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world
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          I’m sure they tried, and there has been a slow but steady drip of confirming information all along, like the headline today, confirming what many already know but just haven’t been able to prove yet.

          But given as the order verifiably came from within the soldier’s command structure, and it took a couple of years just for the audio of it to leak, I am certain all those responsible are doing everything they can to obfuscate and deny.

          TL;DR: It’ll come out, just like the Epstein shit here in the US, but it’s being similarly fought and blocked and misdirected and covered up every step of the way.

  • AmidFuror@fedia.io
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    Maybe Hamas being in league with Netanyahu will finally be the thing that makes the left turn on it.

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      Hamas is an umbrella term that the media and Israel uses to paint a wide spectrum of resistance groups that exist in Gaza as “evil extremist Muslims”, but the groups range from religious to secular, from conservative to anarchist.

      Hamas itself also ranges from a militant organization to a public administrator of the Gaza strip.

      Hamas was initially funded by Israel to exist as a counterfaction to the secular PLO (which had Jews, Christians, and Muslims).

      As Hamas became the dominant group and administrative authority, they started getting funds from their (legal) enterprises globally. Hamas has an investing group in Turkey and Qatar. They would receive dividends from those finances as cash that would flow from Qatar to Israel to Gaza with the help of Bibi.

      This helps Bibi with many things but at least two big ones are - it allows him to fear monger about “scary hamas” and get further support and extremist rhetoric in Israel. It also averted a full blown humanitarian crisis earlier than the current genocide which would have drawn international attention and poked holes in diplomatic meetings with Gulf states (now Abraham accords). The recent claimed cassus belli of Oct 7 is an excuse for massive expansion into the West Bank while “mowing the lawn” in Gaza for decades.

      But I’m sure you knew all that before throwing out your quip.