You don’t even know the difference between left and right ideologies, so it doesn’t really matter who I bring up, you’re just going to screech “Fascist!”
Okay, so, I see that as an admission that you were just spewing bullshit and now can’t defend it.
Is there an example of a functioning properly communist state?
If anything, then it’s socialist states, as Communism is per definition a state-less society, which can’t develop as long as Capitalism is still a thing. Socialism is the phase between Capitalism and Communism, when the working class has seized power and starts to socialize every aspect of production, infrastructure and housing.
I’m not going to put down a lengthy answer, but I found a good one on reddit. There you can read about actual existing socialist states, if you’re actually interested.
And luckily for these “chosen” benevolent leaders who just happen to reside in palaces, these socialist states have no end in sight. In one of your linked examples, dprk has been trying to reach communism for over 70 years now. And their chosen leader happened to choose his son to benevolently lead their people. And that son happened to choose his son to continue his work to bring upon communism. Almost like a monarchy, but not quite because they’re socialist and they have “democratic” in name so they’re actually good and totally different.
“Commie bastards” are what i grew up hearing soviets called (i was born just before the end of the Cold War).
My dad still has a knee jerk reaction to anything communist.
As for why socialism is preferred, it’s because communism is authoritarian- which yields too much power to the state. Either side getting authoritarian is bad.
Do you know about the Red Scare? It‘s the systematic negative propaganda towards anything questioning the capitalist system that underpins the US-American existence. And that‘s usually Communism, as that‘s the system in direct opposition to Capitalism.
The knee jerk reaction your dad (but you also, up there) showed is a result of that. One hardly can escape that, as it‘s part of the lived reality.
However, it‘s just that, propaganda. Once you start to realize that, you can take steps to see through it. Here Trump is invoking the same boogeyman to vilify his opposition, even tho it‘s likely not even communist or socialist, but just against the capitalist oligarchy.
(Simplified) Communism is a stateless society, where the economic basis of class differences has been overcome. Socialism is one step towards that, it‘s the situation after the means of production, but also stuff like housing have been socialized.
Class difference refers to the contradiction between the exploited working class (any wage laborer, not able to live off of their wealth alone) and the exploiting owning class, the Capitalists (owning the means if production and the land)
Sorry, what was the actual point you want me to address to not be as obnoxious as you, since you could address it yourself? Obviously I’m replying to a specific aspect of the user’s commentary, which was dehumanizing in nature.
You’re saying that Cuba, DPRK, China are not also recried as Commies? Wonder who’s being pedantic for whatever reason.
Also, Communism and Communists are real things, not solely academic concepts. Reducing it as such is a questionable approach. Why should we adhere to the propaganda of the US to redefine what words mean?
Interesting derailment yap. You started the crap-talk and mixed in some insults, now I’d kindly suggest you to fo.
Is Red Scare a thing or not?
Does Trump invoke an enemy stereotype or not?
What’s straight up delusional and I’d therefore highly contest, is the idea, that everyday Americans (or Western Europeans for that matter) think of “aspirational communism under a vanguard socialist state”, when their responses are impulsive and dehumanizing, and write stuff like “communist rat bastards”. Which is a kneejerk, indoctrinated reaction by their own admission. Mixed with obviously wrong concepts on what Communism or Socialism even are. Which is also the reason it’s so easy to rile up people against opposition. You just bad mouth them as communist. I really don’t give a shit, how stuff is understood in your post-soviet country, as it has no bearing in regards to the US.
And as I don’t think you really are delusional, I’m certain you’re just bad faithing.
Get off my back with your fantasies.
Dude, I never implied that people use the word communist when they mean socialist. As I said, gtfo. Which I actually can’t say, as .world mods have a hard on with their civility rule. You keep yapping and yet, yourself did not once engage with anything I said. You argued a strawman to derail. Get a hobby.
Lol every state that you think is authoritarian communist is a socialist state. Socialism is the intermediate stage of socioeconomic development between capitalism and communism, where capitalism is a system where the economy (and thus politics) is owned and controlled by a few individual, and communism is a classless, stateless society where the economy is controlled by everyone equally. Socialism, as an intermediate stage, is a system where politics and the economy are controlled by a state composed of the working class - a so-called dictatorship of the proletariat.
What are commie rat bastards and why are socialists preferred, while communists are dehumanized?
Communists kind of have a track record of putting fascist dictators in charge, kinda undermines the whole ideology.
Ah yes, the far left has this special secret strategy where they actually put far right dictators in charge.
When has the far left put anyone in power that wasn’t a fascist dictator?
You don’t even know the difference between left and right ideologies, so it doesn’t really matter who I bring up, you’re just going to screech “Fascist!”
Oh rly? Which communists put fascist dictators in charge? Please, enlighten me.
Is there an example of a functioning properly communist state?
Okay, so, I see that as an admission that you were just spewing bullshit and now can’t defend it.
If anything, then it’s socialist states, as Communism is per definition a state-less society, which can’t develop as long as Capitalism is still a thing. Socialism is the phase between Capitalism and Communism, when the working class has seized power and starts to socialize every aspect of production, infrastructure and housing.
I’m not going to put down a lengthy answer, but I found a good one on reddit. There you can read about actual existing socialist states, if you’re actually interested.
And luckily for these “chosen” benevolent leaders who just happen to reside in palaces, these socialist states have no end in sight. In one of your linked examples, dprk has been trying to reach communism for over 70 years now. And their chosen leader happened to choose his son to benevolently lead their people. And that son happened to choose his son to continue his work to bring upon communism. Almost like a monarchy, but not quite because they’re socialist and they have “democratic” in name so they’re actually good and totally different.
“Commie bastards” are what i grew up hearing soviets called (i was born just before the end of the Cold War).
My dad still has a knee jerk reaction to anything communist.
As for why socialism is preferred, it’s because communism is authoritarian- which yields too much power to the state. Either side getting authoritarian is bad.
Do you know about the Red Scare? It‘s the systematic negative propaganda towards anything questioning the capitalist system that underpins the US-American existence. And that‘s usually Communism, as that‘s the system in direct opposition to Capitalism.
The knee jerk reaction your dad (but you also, up there) showed is a result of that. One hardly can escape that, as it‘s part of the lived reality.
However, it‘s just that, propaganda. Once you start to realize that, you can take steps to see through it. Here Trump is invoking the same boogeyman to vilify his opposition, even tho it‘s likely not even communist or socialist, but just against the capitalist oligarchy.
(Simplified) Communism is a stateless society, where the economic basis of class differences has been overcome. Socialism is one step towards that, it‘s the situation after the means of production, but also stuff like housing have been socialized.
Class difference refers to the contradiction between the exploited working class (any wage laborer, not able to live off of their wealth alone) and the exploiting owning class, the Capitalists (owning the means if production and the land)
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Sorry, what was the actual point you want me to address to not be as obnoxious as you, since you could address it yourself? Obviously I’m replying to a specific aspect of the user’s commentary, which was dehumanizing in nature.
You’re saying that Cuba, DPRK, China are not also recried as Commies? Wonder who’s being pedantic for whatever reason.
Also, Communism and Communists are real things, not solely academic concepts. Reducing it as such is a questionable approach. Why should we adhere to the propaganda of the US to redefine what words mean?
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Interesting derailment yap. You started the crap-talk and mixed in some insults, now I’d kindly suggest you to fo.
Is Red Scare a thing or not?
Does Trump invoke an enemy stereotype or not?
What’s straight up delusional and I’d therefore highly contest, is the idea, that everyday Americans (or Western Europeans for that matter) think of “aspirational communism under a vanguard socialist state”, when their responses are impulsive and dehumanizing, and write stuff like “communist rat bastards”. Which is a kneejerk, indoctrinated reaction by their own admission. Mixed with obviously wrong concepts on what Communism or Socialism even are. Which is also the reason it’s so easy to rile up people against opposition. You just bad mouth them as communist. I really don’t give a shit, how stuff is understood in your post-soviet country, as it has no bearing in regards to the US.
And as I don’t think you really are delusional, I’m certain you’re just bad faithing. Get off my back with your fantasies.
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Dude, I never implied that people use the word communist when they mean socialist. As I said, gtfo. Which I actually can’t say, as .world mods have a hard on with their civility rule. You keep yapping and yet, yourself did not once engage with anything I said. You argued a strawman to derail. Get a hobby.
Lol every state that you think is authoritarian communist is a socialist state. Socialism is the intermediate stage of socioeconomic development between capitalism and communism, where capitalism is a system where the economy (and thus politics) is owned and controlled by a few individual, and communism is a classless, stateless society where the economy is controlled by everyone equally. Socialism, as an intermediate stage, is a system where politics and the economy are controlled by a state composed of the working class - a so-called dictatorship of the proletariat.
Yes. Please. Tell me what I think and keep lecturing over a fucking sarcastic comment citing shit Trump is spewing.
Please, I’m just a dumb uninformed American who knows nothing l!
(That’s more sarcasm.)
No need to be all butthurt. It’s always an option to accept not to know everything.
Checks out.