By civilisation I’m more referring to human civilisation not civilisation in a national sense.
A human collapse is going to begin in the most vulnerable countries and spread. It’s not just going to be everyone everywhere failing at once. What we’re seeing is the start of a long term, large scale global change with climate as a primary motivating factor.
These are far away problems for people I don’t associate with it’s not a problem for me
Sure. Until “Putin meddled in my elections! We need to go to war with Russia!” and “The Haitians are sneaking in to vote for socialism! We need mass deportations NOW!” is the rallying cry of your local party. And then you’re bumping elbows with fascism very quickly.
I disagree English has already become the global language of the human race.
The global language of the human race is Latin. Damn shame nobody still speaks it.
The middle east has been a clusterfuck for 3000years
That’s not actually true. It is, if anything, a product of a very recent turn in US foreign policy (and subsequent propaganda). The Middle East enjoyed centuries of (relative) stability under the Ottoman Empire. And it was one of the safer industrial stage regions on Earth to live during both World Wars. For most of that 3000 years, it enjoyed an enormous peace dividend as a center of trade and technological advancement, from which imperial powers positioned themselves securely while branching out across the globe. It was Europe before Europe was Europe.
The post-Cold War wave of conflicts is a novelty of colonization and extractive industry. It is the historical exception, not the rule.
We think we have beaten natural selection
We’ve beaten natural selection with manual selection. The future of the human race will be written by its ancestors’ in a way vanishingly few species can claim.
But this isn’t a reason for fatalism. It’s a recognition that our current trajectory is a collective choice.
A human collapse is going to begin in the most vulnerable countries and spread. It’s not just going to be everyone everywhere failing at once. What we’re seeing is the start of a long term, large scale global change with climate as a primary motivating factor.
I don’t necessarily disagree I just don’t think that it will result in a total global collapse. I think the most vulnerable will fall and the strong will adapt and overcome same as every other global crisis in history.
Sure. Until “Putin meddled in my elections! We need to go to war with Russia!” and “The Haitians are sneaking in to vote for socialism! We need mass deportations NOW!” is the rallying cry of your local party. And then you’re bumping elbows with fascism very quickly.
As an Aussie I’m sufficiently insulated against european inpieralism and middle eastern sand wars. And fascism doesn’t scare me considering that I’m a strait white male with what fascists would consider pure “Arian” ancestry.
The global language of the human race is Latin. Damn shame nobody still speaks it.
It defiantly used to be but I think the penetration on English his suowrceeded its influence.
That’s not actually true. It is, if anything, a product of a very recent turn in US foreign policy (and subsequent propaganda). The Middle East enjoyed centuries of (relative) stability under the Ottoman Empire.
As I said I am currently in the former seat of power for the Ottoman empire and their treatment of people was anything but peaceful or stable. I WS in the quarters they kept their slaves 2 days ago its was not a pleasant place. The wives of the sultan where by definition taken by force from conkered lands as to avoid giving any particular family any power.
And it was one of the safer industrial stage regions on Earth to live during both World Wars.
I think the Anzac’s would disagree on this point but then again how fan they disagree when they all died at the hands of the Ottoman.
For most of that 3000 years, it enjoyed an enormous peace dividend as a center of trade and technological advancement, from which imperial powers positioned themselves securely while branching out across the globe. It was Europe before Europe was Europe.
Its was Rome then its was eastern Rome (which I would still consider the true Rome) until the fall of Constantinople in 1453.
The post-Cold War wave of conflicts is a novelty of colonization and extractive industry. It is the historical exception, not the rule.
Conflict has been the default for the entirety of human history everywhere across the globe. The cold war was a solidification event that caused a bipolar consolidation of factions but nothing more than that.
We’ve beaten natural selection with manual selection. The future of the human race will be written by its ancestors’ in a way vanishingly few species can claim.
Is that not just natural selection by h a different name. Eatehr selection is natural or it is chosen and if its is chooses the correct terminology is eugenics.
But this isn’t a reason for fatalism. It’s a recognition that our current trajectory is a collective choice.
Its a collective choice amongst collectives. You still have free will to decide what collective and who within said collective you decide to associate with.
I just don’t think that it will result in a total global collapse
I don’t think there’s any difficulty in recognizing the risk of a global economic contraction, given the long history of global market conditions causing recessionary feedback loops. What we want to describe as a “collapse?” Idk. Certainly a global rapid deterioration, as human habitable biomes contract.
As an Aussie I’m sufficiently insulated against european inpieralism
Brother you are a product of European imperialism. And you are heavily reliant on the umbrella of NATO, along with a global financial system that transacts in your preferred currencies. Absent globalized institutions like the Bank of England and the ECB and cornerstone lenders like HSBC, you’re out begging China, India, and Japan for a cup of fungible credit.
I think the Anzac’s would disagree
I can’t imagine why. Aussies were vacuumed up as cannon fodder for the Pacific Theater within the first year of the war.
A human collapse is going to begin in the most vulnerable countries and spread. It’s not just going to be everyone everywhere failing at once. What we’re seeing is the start of a long term, large scale global change with climate as a primary motivating factor.
Sure. Until “Putin meddled in my elections! We need to go to war with Russia!” and “The Haitians are sneaking in to vote for socialism! We need mass deportations NOW!” is the rallying cry of your local party. And then you’re bumping elbows with fascism very quickly.
The global language of the human race is Latin. Damn shame nobody still speaks it.
That’s not actually true. It is, if anything, a product of a very recent turn in US foreign policy (and subsequent propaganda). The Middle East enjoyed centuries of (relative) stability under the Ottoman Empire. And it was one of the safer industrial stage regions on Earth to live during both World Wars. For most of that 3000 years, it enjoyed an enormous peace dividend as a center of trade and technological advancement, from which imperial powers positioned themselves securely while branching out across the globe. It was Europe before Europe was Europe.
The post-Cold War wave of conflicts is a novelty of colonization and extractive industry. It is the historical exception, not the rule.
We’ve beaten natural selection with manual selection. The future of the human race will be written by its ancestors’ in a way vanishingly few species can claim.
But this isn’t a reason for fatalism. It’s a recognition that our current trajectory is a collective choice.
I don’t necessarily disagree I just don’t think that it will result in a total global collapse. I think the most vulnerable will fall and the strong will adapt and overcome same as every other global crisis in history.
As an Aussie I’m sufficiently insulated against european inpieralism and middle eastern sand wars. And fascism doesn’t scare me considering that I’m a strait white male with what fascists would consider pure “Arian” ancestry.
It defiantly used to be but I think the penetration on English his suowrceeded its influence.
As I said I am currently in the former seat of power for the Ottoman empire and their treatment of people was anything but peaceful or stable. I WS in the quarters they kept their slaves 2 days ago its was not a pleasant place. The wives of the sultan where by definition taken by force from conkered lands as to avoid giving any particular family any power.
I think the Anzac’s would disagree on this point but then again how fan they disagree when they all died at the hands of the Ottoman.
Its was Rome then its was eastern Rome (which I would still consider the true Rome) until the fall of Constantinople in 1453.
Conflict has been the default for the entirety of human history everywhere across the globe. The cold war was a solidification event that caused a bipolar consolidation of factions but nothing more than that.
Is that not just natural selection by h a different name. Eatehr selection is natural or it is chosen and if its is chooses the correct terminology is eugenics.
Its a collective choice amongst collectives. You still have free will to decide what collective and who within said collective you decide to associate with.
I don’t think there’s any difficulty in recognizing the risk of a global economic contraction, given the long history of global market conditions causing recessionary feedback loops. What we want to describe as a “collapse?” Idk. Certainly a global rapid deterioration, as human habitable biomes contract.
Brother you are a product of European imperialism. And you are heavily reliant on the umbrella of NATO, along with a global financial system that transacts in your preferred currencies. Absent globalized institutions like the Bank of England and the ECB and cornerstone lenders like HSBC, you’re out begging China, India, and Japan for a cup of fungible credit.
I can’t imagine why. Aussies were vacuumed up as cannon fodder for the Pacific Theater within the first year of the war.