He added that physical and psychological damages “inflicted on each individual of the Iranian nation in the 2nd and 3rd imposed wars, from child killings and war crimes in Minab and Lamerd to attacks on medical centres, is each a legal file that must be pursued in both domestic and international courts.”
He further stated that from the “murder” of newborns and the elderly to the assassination of his father and predecessor, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, “each is a file among thousands of major legal cases that must be earnestly pursued in domestic and international courts”.
“What is definite is that these criminals must be seized by the collar and brought to justice for their criminal deeds,” he asserted.
Never in my life could I have expected to agree with the Iranian government. But, on this specific issue? I do. There needs to be accountability for this.
I agree, but you should also pay for killing women for not wearing hijab.
There is already sanctions on Iran related to human right abuses by countries backing a genocidal state with weapons and diplomatic protection. Israel and the usa are the countries that are not getting punished
I’m against that too, but not wearing hijab is not a capital offense in Iran.
The famous case of Masa Amini was a case of resisting arrest gone wrong and she died from police brutality. Saying she was killed for not wearing hijab is like saying Eric Garner was killed for not paying taxes; it’s an incomplete story.
The western leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague. Don’t you think indiscriminate bombing, genocide, and child sex trafficking are a bigger problem?
Maybe there’s more than one problem, and none of the governments involved in this are the good guys.
Yes, America and Israel are responsible for the current clusterfuck, but Iran’s government is still pretty fucking evil.
Right, and America and Israel are literally more evil. Which governments do you have the most power to change? Do you get a vote in Iran?
Two things can be true. No need to “whatabout” these topics
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The comment I’m responding to is literally a whataboutism, lol. This thread is about the US being awful.
“also” is not used for whataboutism. The comment you responded to pointed out the hypocrisy in Iran’s position here while agreeing with the general point made. You, however, singled out one side, deflecting from crimes against humanity by the Iranian mullahs by considering the other side “the bigger evil”.
I don’t even dispute that point. The problem is, the person you responded to never made a point of playing down Magastan / Israel war crimes. You don’t have a case here.
Also is used for whataboutism. Your entire premise is flawed.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
Indeed. But you can’t demonise the other side for doing them while you paddle in the same pool
What? There’s no both sides to this lol. One side is being attacked and one side is defending.
Literally replying to your words
Are you implying that Iran is doing a genocide!? Get the UN on the phone they’re gonna wanna hear this breaking news!
As for indiscriminate bombing, absolutely not, lmao every action they’ve done in this war has been targeted.
As for child sex trafficking, THEY ARE FIGHTING THE EPSTEIN GOVERNMENT.
Honest question at this point: do you think Iran as a nation never existed before the us and israel decided to invade them?
Saying the US threw themselves into a war to distract from the epstein files, or that the current administration (ok lets be honest,the nation state for a long fuckin’ time) commits crimes against humanity is one thing. Claiming that only the US has ever commited humans rights violations is just…wat
Call the US shitbags for what they do. But don’t pretend Iran is a lily white innocent dove here. Especially when it comes to trafficking and sexual abuse
The US is, and has been for a long time, the greatest source of death and misery in the world. Even before this, it can easily be argued that without US interference and aggression Iran would be a happier, freer place.
no kidding. But we cannot pretend they are the only source. Bouncing from broken system to broken system gets us nowhere
Get em’, nan!
Where have I even implied any of that. Google critical support.
I do not think you are equipped to be telling people that.
There is a difrence between having a bad or wrong enforced law vs destroying a random school.
It wasn’t random. It was a double-tap strike in a first strike package (generally the most well researched targets) that fucking Google maps knew was a girls school for years.
It was either a deliberate terror strike that intentionally killed a hundred and seventy or so girls between the ages of 9-12 or it was a level of incompetence that is indistinguishable from intentionality and should be treated as such.
Don’t justify this action even the slightest by trying to go ‘Whoops, teehee, just an accident’
From what I had heard of it, it was likely an AI produced target list with a human in the loop. But the problem with those is that a human in the loop often turns into a rubber stamp, with the human taking the blame for the AI’s mistakes.
So in that sense, you may be right. That is a problem that is pretty widely understood. They should have known that and taken more care. Trump and his “Department of War” has brought an even more cavalier attitude toward civilian casualties, so that may be seen as acceptable for “efficiency”.
Wonder what they have to say about the 100 other schools Israel and America bombed in the meantime…
This doesn’t have to be an either/or situation.
First time on Lemmy? Lemmings unfortunately don’t understand that concept.
I do
We should form a club for those capable of rational thinking!
… On Lemmy? I think we are looping back here.
Generalised statements might work on reddit but to claim Lemmy users are the same is, as of now, a fools game
Unfortunately it’s still humans behind the keyboards. The “my camp, not their camp” mentality is too deeply seeded in our primate brains. This is demonstrated by the most highly upvoted comment in this comment section.
People hate whataboutism until it’s used to cast shade on the enemies of America’s oligarchs.
I don’t get how people can hate billionaires, then spout rhetoric that directly helps their genocidal programs. Iran is the lesser evil in this fight, and in fact one of the only countries standing up to the world’s biggest threat- American/western imperialism. You don’t have to like them, but you also don’t have to carry water for the oppressors.
You’re allowed to not like both of them
If every time Iran calls out the warcrimes and genocide of the US, you answer with a criticism of Iran, all you are doing is saying that the US is right to do warcrimes. That it’s justified because Iran mistreats some of its citizens.
Iran is literally fighting to stop its schoolgirls from being bombed, and you’re out here saying, “Maybe if you hadn’t forced the little girls to wear burkas they’d still be alive.”
Again, you don’t have to like them, but maybe just shut up about it for a second so we can all focus on the bigger issue. It’s called critical support.
They both suck but you’re right that Iran is more right about this than the US. It doesn’t make them good though.
The comment said he agreed with the post.
It’s definitely not how it read, and it’s not its intention.
If it was not his intention, why would he start with I agree? He could have only kept the whataboutsim part. Can you consider he may be against both, or is that too far fetched for your intention guessing ability?
I’m not racist but…
Same energy.
No, the same energy would be:
~ I agree with these antiracist actions, but I would rather not have it come from someone who committed racist crimes.
butandThe Conjunction Constable strikes again
Grammar… hmmm… I’m sure there’s a simile I could use in this phrase…
Among other crimes against humanity, yes. But when focusing on the US, also for all the crimes against humanity and all the other war crimes.
This absolves the USA of responsibility for waging illegal imperial war for profit and committing war crimes and funding and arming zionist genocide in Palestine.
I agree the whataboutism is lame as fuck, but idk about “absolves the USA of responsibility”. The US didn’t really even pretend this was about “bringing democracy” or whatever. The Trump admin waffled between “Israel made us do it :(” and “WOOWW LOOK AT ALL THIS OIL”
The US-Israeli propaganda machine is totally broken since Gaza. They knew there was no point in even trying to play a humanitarian angle.
Yup. Not a bad message, but a terrible messenger. His father is responsible for the massacre of thousands of protestors, and he was by all accounts part of that.
People are judged by their own actions not the action of their parents. Not to imply that he is not authoritarian himself
They are cut from the same cloth. He has a reputation for beliefs that are as hard-line, if not more hard-line. The slaughter of protestors is absolutely relevant.
The slaughter is also part of a power structure he has put himself on top of. And there is no indication that he will be any different than his father. The power structure may change a bit after this latest war, but fundamentally it is prone to deadly crackdowns on dissent.
Talking about his father is irelevant . You can talk abiut his connection to the irgc and if role in dom previous protest
We literally admitted to arming those protesters. At that point, they’re not protesters but CIA lapdogs trying to turn Iran into another Libya.
So we should prosecute trump for his father’s crimes too? Hmm…
I never said anything of the sort. But if you want a closer analogy, we should judge Donald Trump, Jr. for his father’s crimes. He has vocally supported his father and often been involved.