China’s armed forces secretly trained about 200 Russian military personnel in China late last year and some have since returned to fight in Ukraine, according to three European intelligence agencies and documents seen by Reuters.

  • Cethin@lemmy.zip
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    20 hours ago

    I don’t think you understand what’s going on. China is not losing in this. They’re winning. Russia needs their help, and they provide it… for a fee. They’re getting incredibly cheap oil, more power over Russia, resources, and I think some land has slightly shifted towards China that was contested. I expect China to make huge gains from this war. If they don’t end up at least de facto, if not de jure, controlling a tons of land in Eastern Russia at the end of this, I’ll be surprised.

    China and Russia aren’t allies in the usually sense. They don’t assist each other for free. They just have similar opponents, but will extract whatever they can from each other without a second thought. They have no desire to help the other, except when it benefits them directly.

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      20 hours ago

      Even without the war China would still get cheap oil from Russia. Putin is expending huge resources in attempting to take Ukraine, it’s not going to give any land to China. A Ukraine at peace would provide business opportunities for Chinese businesses.

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        18 hours ago

        You don’t know what you’re talking about. They’re getting to purchase it at the same cost as Russians do, which is below cost. This is an agreement Russia made with them in exchange for some support (I don’t remember what, it was a while ago).

        A Ukraine at peace would provide business opportunities for Chinese businesses.

        OK, and it’ll be there whenever it finishes too. Hell, it’s there now. This is a stupid argument. It’s not like there are a lack of places to invest in.

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          18 hours ago

          It’s a selling point that Europe would tell China to get it to persuade Putin to end the war. If China refuses, then Europe would end it on its own. Remember in my proposal, if Putin rejects the offer, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.