Kids are little disease vectors that drain your life-force and murder your dreams.
If you enjoy being broke, fat, tired, and boring, you should totally have kids. Come on, do it! Your friends and family just assume you’ll squeeze out one or two, you don’t want to disappoint them , do you?
No it doesn’t. People fuck, kids happen. Recognizing people have human compulsions but don’t want to deal with the consequences requires forethought, whether that’s a condom, birth control, or sterilization. Fuck off with you “an issue that resolves itself” bullshit. Responsibility and self-awareness prevents it.
No. The implication that people who don’t want kids somehow don’t end up in situations where kids are produced is ludicrous. People don’t fuck just to make babies, but since that is a possibility, avoiding that outcome is a responsibility. Not everyone who doesn’t want kids automatically becomes a bad parent when they do occur, and not everyone who intentionally creates kids is a good parent.
Gotta back him up on this point, and I think every parent will agree - from the time they are toddlers until late in high school you WILL catch every disease all the other kids at school had that week. Among most parents it’s a running joke.
Mine are grown now but still living at home and I STILL catch shit from them going around their unis.
Your original reply implied that people who hold such a belief somehow end up not making babies because of that belief. I continue to suggest the onus is on people with that belief to prevent them while knowing that it’s quite likely they’re going to fuck, and frankly, your opinion about their reproductive rights and bodily autonomy is irrelevant. I mean, what’s your proposal, comb people’s post histories for comments like “disease vectors” and take their kids away when condoms fail or a pill is missed, or do we just sterilize/castrate them beforehand?
I said shouldn’t , not don’t. I think you need to work on your comprehension.
I don’t know why this has set you off so much, but I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
While there’s been a steady reduction in unwanted pregnancies since contraception and abortion were legalized, in the US alone around 35-40% of pregnancies are still unintended. That means in 2019 approximately 943,000 people came into this world as an “oops”.
I’m actually the result of an unplanned teen pregnancy and was adopted out (not the love of their lives however, more of an object upon which to heap their violence and rage). When I finally met my bio mom, who’s rad, after we’d gotten to know each other a bit she admitted she tried to abort me but was past the cutoff date by the time she realized. Some people don’t create children but become wonderful parents, some people don’t want kids but end up with them and make the choice to be good parents, some people desperately want to be parents but have selfish purposes.
I’m 100% with you that access to contraception and abortion should be human rights, but even if state limitations didn’t exist sex for fun and with full precautions would still sometimes result in the creation of a new human. 2019 was 40yrs into the US allowing access to contraceptives and abortion and still 1/3 of new people came into existence unintentionally.
It’s great that numbers are down, but 1/3 of humanity coming into existence when contraceptives, abortion, and a basic understanding of how babies are made are accessible seems like more than an outlier. Whether 2.2 million or 900k, these aren’t just numbers, each one born is a human being, subject to all that entails and subjecting the world to all that comes with another human existing.
I’m personally in the boat of seeing kids as adding to one’s life rather than draining it and making dreams rather than taking them away. But having kids is something my partner and I want. My only other dream is to ever own the roof over my head, but that’s not totally likely.
I feel that having kids would not seem as daunting for more people if we had real safety nets to support people that would even consider being parents. Such as free daycare, a basic income, universal healthcare, and stipends specifically to pay for costs associated with kids like for diapers, bottles, books, ever changing clothes sizes, etc.
Kids are little disease vectors that drain your life-force and murder your dreams.
If you enjoy being broke, fat, tired, and boring, you should totally have kids. Come on, do it! Your friends and family just assume you’ll squeeze out one or two, you don’t want to disappoint them , do you?
Tbf, people who talk like this shouldn’t really have kids anyway so it’s an issue that resolves itself.
No it doesn’t. People fuck, kids happen. Recognizing people have human compulsions but don’t want to deal with the consequences requires forethought, whether that’s a condom, birth control, or sterilization. Fuck off with you “an issue that resolves itself” bullshit. Responsibility and self-awareness prevents it.
I have no idea what you are saying, did you reply to the wrong comment?
No. The implication that people who don’t want kids somehow don’t end up in situations where kids are produced is ludicrous. People don’t fuck just to make babies, but since that is a possibility, avoiding that outcome is a responsibility. Not everyone who doesn’t want kids automatically becomes a bad parent when they do occur, and not everyone who intentionally creates kids is a good parent.
No, people who call kids ‘disease vectors’ shouldn’t have kids, silly billy.
Gotta back him up on this point, and I think every parent will agree - from the time they are toddlers until late in high school you WILL catch every disease all the other kids at school had that week. Among most parents it’s a running joke.
Mine are grown now but still living at home and I STILL catch shit from them going around their unis.
It is true - two colds in 3 months here. It is what happens when you get 30 kids into a confined space, immediate spread.
Your original reply implied that people who hold such a belief somehow end up not making babies because of that belief. I continue to suggest the onus is on people with that belief to prevent them while knowing that it’s quite likely they’re going to fuck, and frankly, your opinion about their reproductive rights and bodily autonomy is irrelevant. I mean, what’s your proposal, comb people’s post histories for comments like “disease vectors” and take their kids away when condoms fail or a pill is missed, or do we just sterilize/castrate them beforehand?
I said shouldn’t , not don’t. I think you need to work on your comprehension. I don’t know why this has set you off so much, but I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
Explain how people not wanting kids “resolves itself”. Do you think they don’t have sex?
$20 days they have at least one kid they didn’t want to / weren’t planning on having.
Hasn’t been a serious issue since contraception became mainstream in the 70s.
I fuck all the time and have never had a kid naturally. I’ve got two adopted kids who are the loves of my life, though.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_02/sr02-201.pdf
While there’s been a steady reduction in unwanted pregnancies since contraception and abortion were legalized, in the US alone around 35-40% of pregnancies are still unintended. That means in 2019 approximately 943,000 people came into this world as an “oops”.
I’m actually the result of an unplanned teen pregnancy and was adopted out (not the love of their lives however, more of an object upon which to heap their violence and rage). When I finally met my bio mom, who’s rad, after we’d gotten to know each other a bit she admitted she tried to abort me but was past the cutoff date by the time she realized. Some people don’t create children but become wonderful parents, some people don’t want kids but end up with them and make the choice to be good parents, some people desperately want to be parents but have selfish purposes.
A problem easily solved with expansion of access to contraception and abortion services.
These pregnancies are not the result of people fucking. They are the result of state and federal policy denying them access to baby-free sex.
I’m 100% with you that access to contraception and abortion should be human rights, but even if state limitations didn’t exist sex for fun and with full precautions would still sometimes result in the creation of a new human. 2019 was 40yrs into the US allowing access to contraceptives and abortion and still 1/3 of new people came into existence unintentionally.
It goes from a routine occurrence to an outlayer concern.
Unintentional pregnancies in the early 1970s accounted for 2.2-2.7M births per year.
We’ve reduced that incidence by 60% over the intervening period.
It’s great that numbers are down, but 1/3 of humanity coming into existence when contraceptives, abortion, and a basic understanding of how babies are made are accessible seems like more than an outlier. Whether 2.2 million or 900k, these aren’t just numbers, each one born is a human being, subject to all that entails and subjecting the world to all that comes with another human existing.
I’m personally in the boat of seeing kids as adding to one’s life rather than draining it and making dreams rather than taking them away. But having kids is something my partner and I want. My only other dream is to ever own the roof over my head, but that’s not totally likely.
I feel that having kids would not seem as daunting for more people if we had real safety nets to support people that would even consider being parents. Such as free daycare, a basic income, universal healthcare, and stipends specifically to pay for costs associated with kids like for diapers, bottles, books, ever changing clothes sizes, etc.
don’t blame being fat and boring on kids.
They might have a baby. Once they get older, it’s a lot easier to involve the kid in your favorite sports. (For me it’s cycling)
If I’m already all those things, but don’t enjoy it, kids can only make it better, right??!?