Good. Israel’s people won’t ever demand reforms, if they don’t suffer for the evils they have supported.
How often is it that people demand reforms versus become galvanized in support of ‘their team’?
‘Rally behind the flag’ is the usual popular reaction, where any calls for reform that might have happened become completely unacceptable in popular culture.
Considering what was already happening to Gaza and Palestine, plus the egging on of the USA into war against Iran, I think Israel was already fully galvanized to make war. Israel up to this point has suffered no consequences for their actions, so there wasn’t real pressure to change things. Plus, they were taking territory from others and were enriching their populations - which is pretty popularizing by default.
Iran, on the other hand, wasn’t gaining new territories to grease the palms of their citizens. That gave much stronger incentives for their population to be opposed to their leadership, up until they got bombed by “freedom”.
Different nations, different circumstances.
I’m not saying whether or not an attack is justified or effective. Just saying that of the outcomes to expect, you can’t expect that popular opinion would turn as a result, except maybe to make any critics that may have had a voice suddenly not even be acceptable to speak.
Like whatever understanding one could have possibly have imagined from Iranians against the regime was pretty much gone when the US killed the kids in school.
What a shock it must be to be asleep in your house and have some foreign country bomb the fuck out of non-military targets.
What a shame. Couldn’t happen to a nicer people I suppose.
The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Gaza, Beiruit, Tehran, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
Literally why saying were only sending defensive arms is pointless. Giving them protection from their own violent instigations only let’s them do more damage rather than keep the country safe.
I have heard it described as like providing a bulletproof vest to a school shooter
Israel isn’t very used to adults that can shoot back at them, are they?
I wish it were more.
Everyone living in Israel has the means to get out and they need to do it. Israel is one of the most expensive places to live; there is no excuse.
You may call me old-fashioned, but I’d rather not have civilians suffer. Not all of them support the actions of Israel, many were born there, some are tied to their older relatives and simply friends, partners etc. It’s also not easy to uproot your entire living, let alone rapidly fled amidst the war.
Seems a lot of them still support it anyway.
A lot, indeed. But as we can’t separate them from the rest, we can’t endorse the bombings.
If we could put those pedaling the war into one place, I’d say go ahead and nuke 'em all.
It’s also not easy to uproot your entire living, let alone rapidly fled amidst the war.
Agreed. I don’t have sympathy for the Israeli citizens because they caused others to experience this in order to steal the land.
It’s a LOT easier for the Israelis to leave than it is for the people whose land they steal.
One thing many people have surprisingly low comprehension of is that people ≠ government.
Regular Israeli civilians did not partake in the war, did not cause the apartheid, and did not steal the land. They were born there, or went there on a promise of entering a friendly Jewish community - not of murdering people.
When the latest Hamas strike happened, this has played into the hands of Israeli government and military command. They got yet another excuse to bomb the hell out of Palestine. Some civilians were scared enough to support the “retaliation”, many others vehemently opposed and denounced it.
In any case, deporting all Israelis is clearly not a solution now. Israel is their home. Imagine that your birthplace originally belonged to another country, and they wanted to take it back, sending you out wherever. Would it be reasonable to oblige, to leave your home and your entire life behind, forever?
This is catastrophic when it happens to Palestinians, and not much better should it happen to Israelis.
One thing many people have surprisingly low comprehension of is that people ≠ government.
Regular Israeli civilians did not partake in the war, did not cause the apartheid, and did not steal the land. They were born there, or went there on a promise of entering a friendly Jewish community - not of murdering people.
People defending this have a surprisingly low comprehension of the fact that Israelis, generally speaking, are literate and educated enough to be aware of the fact that most of the “Oh, we’re just a nice friendly Jewish community” is a lie and their taxes and labor will go towards supporting this stuff. Israelis are not stupid people, they are not incapable of accessing news and information from non-Israeli sources. The longer Israel continues to be such a predatory, imperial state, the less sympathy I have for the civilian population that says “Oh, I don’t actually support this, but my mom and dad live here and won’t move, so I have to stay here.” Well, fuck your mom and dad, and fuck you too if that applies to you. At this point, I only have sympathy for the small portion of the population who are either actively opposing this regime from within, or who are planning on leaving and are still in the process of finalizing their departure.
This is catastrophic when it happens to Palestinians, and not much better should it happen to Israelis.
Considering that the longer we avoid this for the Israelis, more of their neighboring countries are going to experience it, I will once again be unequivocal in saying, screw the Israelis in that case. I would much prefer that literally every resident of Israel gets told to screw off back to where they came from, rather than to see the genocide and displacement of the Palestinians be expanded to the Syrians, Lebanese and other neighboring nations, like Israel has already signaled it’s intent to do.
My sympathy for the Israeli people is directly proportional to their opposition to the actions of the Israeli government, which seems unlikely to change much, considering that this is just the continuation of decades of Israeli policy, rather than some exceptional state that only emerged because they were attacked once by Hamas. Contrary to what Israeli propaganda would have us believe, this isn’t something special that is only happening because the Israelis were shocked by one particular attack.
Well I hope Israel gets the same great humanitarian treatment, which they have showned towards others.
Boy, it sure does suck when assholes miles away blow your shit up, huh? Maybe there’s a lesson to be learned here.
I guess sometimes it is ok to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Had to learn that lesson in 2000 when I voted for Nader. It wouldnt have made a difference since the Supreme Court got bought off to throw the election to Bush, but that was the last time I dared play the foolish game of voting my conscience in the failed democracy we call the United (lol) States.
SHOCKED! They are SHOCKED I tell you!
Can we get “journalists” a new thesaurus please?
sorry israel killed them all
Shocked and slammed isnt enough for you?
“The Israeli military ordered an investigation into what went wrong”
You dumbfucks attacked a people that were willing/able to hit back, that’s what went wrong you absolute blithering assholes!
Do not mind the black van with mossad agents outside your house, citizen. Thank you for your cooperation
I don’t, I eat a lot of pork. Keeps em from getting too close.
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Start war, get war.
Is the Israeli public “shocked” that missile defenses are not working? I thought that this has been the widely known since the “12 Day War” last year?
Never happened. Mr Trump says we already won the war. This is just a Democrat hoax.
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Israelis have been actively slaughtering innocent women and children in Palestine for years now with the public cheering on, they have started an unprovoked war with Iran by bombing a school killing 150 little girls. This is just a tiny sample of Israel’s recent crimes. Is it any wonder the world has little sympathy for them? About the same amount that we had for the Nazis after all of their war crimes. Get fucked Israel, go eat several bags of dicks.
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Only good nazi is a dead nazi. A decade from now I’ll be making a toast to the heroes who finally shot back at isreal.
Won’t SOMEBODY think of the genociders???
Or alternatively “You are too mean to the fascists.”
I’d rather Iran be killing soldiers than innocent too, but I understand why people can’t get but feel this way at this point. There’s been literally zero justice against Israel, and it’s so extreme what they’ve gotten away with, that I fully understand the schnaudenfreude many will be feeling at seeing Israel seeing any form of repercussions at this point.
That a overwhelming majority of the population isn’t strongly against their government doesn’t help either.
So while you do have a point, it would kind of be like trying to shame lgbtq+ people for being happy an apartment in Berlin got bombed during WW2… Especially considering we are essentially in WW3, in great part started by Israel, who is also currently trying another genocide run in Lebanon now.
I wish it happened another way (say, by the missile hitting its intended target), but in general it’s a good thing for Israelis to know they’re not invincible.
Why? Because fuck them, thats why.
You find it weird people are cheering for an evil country getting bombed?
Because they want this, they just don’t want it aimed at them.
Because they’re Israeli? And a large majority of Isrealis support whats being done to Iran? If you’re a Jew who still chooses to live there then its your own fucking fault if you get killed. They have literally EVERY opportunity in the world to leave their colonial paradise.
You could say the same about the United States could you not? News flash: relocation when your broke in a shit, war ravaged economy is difficult to put it mildly.
I don’t think the US should exist either. If a settler colonial state exists it should be put down like the diseased rabid dog it is. That includes Israel, America, and Canada. The only acceptable terms for settlers is relinquishing control to the original inhabitants of the land.
USians on Reddit kept blabbering for four years how “all decent Russians left Russia, only supporters of Putin and the war are still there”. So it must be pretty easy, just need to get on the plane and fly away.
Yes, one can hope that one day americans get exactly the sort of treatment they have done on the world.
Punishing a whole country for the actions of a few elites is a bit steep. If you think the average American wants half of what’s going on, you’ve fallen victim to propaganda. Do better. By your logic we should have commit genocide after WW2 to make sure the Nazis were even stevens with the Jews. That eye for an eye thinking will make the whole world blind.
Look, if a nation sends aid to another in a time of need then it should get help when it is in need. If a nation sends bombs it is only fair that it gets bombed. The usa is not some magical outsider immune to the consequences of their own actions.
And to bring up the Jews with what is currently going on is kinda finny. israel exists due partly to the genocide in WWII and apparently you think that Germany was not bombed the everliving fuck out of. Do you know of the Dresden bombings, it was also a genocide.
Punishing a whole nation for what their leaders have that nation do is very much the standard, if that nation does not want that then there is always resistance or revolution.
If half of the Americans actually voted against this crap it wouldn’t happen. They didn’t and so they’re at fault.
And the other half that did vote, and starkly against all that–where does their culpability lie?
Small problem, I have done nothing to anybody, why should I be bombed? Are you actually this ignorant? I thought society had moved past this trash
if you pay taxes you help build bombs.
“Don’t blame me I voted for kodos.” You can stick your head in the sand if you like but it does not change the facts. Did any civilian getting bombed have a different situation? Why are you so special that you think your nation gets to bomb but not be bombed back?
It’s also literally the only place in the world were Jews are relatively safe when it comes to general antisemitism from within the society. I get why they don’t leave. Besides that there are still protests against the government and against the war. People don’t want to give up and fight for a better future of Israel and Palestine.
That’s blatant propaganda meant to excuse an apartheid state. Jews are as safe in any western country as they are in Israel. I’ve known many and I garuntee you they don’t get anywhere the level of danger and hate the average trans person gets on a day to day basis.
Anecdotal evidence. That is blatantly downplaying the danger of increasing antisemitism and playing off minorities against each other.
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The USA’s first target in Iran was a school for girls.
The USA’s first target was to kill civilians.
If you’re cheering the the USA in any of this, you’re cheering for death. No one is defending what the Iranian government has done to their civilians. But it’s not the USA’s job to be the world police, bomb little girls trying to get an education, tank the global oil economy, and send their own citizens to die in an illegal war.
Maybe take a step back. I’m queer, married to a trans person. Palestine doesn’t support me or my right to live. I don’t care I would prefer to take the higher ground in thinking Palestinians deserve a right to live.
Iran was uprising over their own government. Now they don’t have power, food is limited, and their govenment is still killing them while the USA bombs their schools.
Fucking great alternative.
Just to put the scale of this into context, the strike on the girl’s school wasn’t the first thing they did, those three strikes were among the first 700 strikes carried out on day one (1200 in the first 36 hours).
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thanks for calling me a fuckwit really made my day ❤️
Try asking the guy to criticise Israel for all the civilians they’ve killed and you may find that it’s actually not that easy, which is strange, right?
this is coming from someone who’s pro palestine and anti israel and anti war as a whole.
Same. But people want to feel righteous I guess and celebrating civilian victims is an outlet for that.
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Full support for you. Cheering for killed civilians should not be tolerated.
It’s amazing how quickly leftists support was crimes so long as the victims are “the right people”.
I’m also amazed at how quickly you blame leftists based on one person’s comment that gave no indication that they are a leftist.
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So you’re making assumptions based on your flawed and biased experience instead of factual data. Got it. I expected that given the quality of comment you provided above.
😂
I assume everything you say is only the highest of quality peer-reviewed science too.
No, I simply recognise what I perceive may not be the same as reality and would double check my assumptions before posting any comment so I do less mistakes. I especially do not proudly proclaim that my comments lack any research whatsoever and that I’m completely fine with it like you are doing.
“Trust me bro” is neither an acceptable source nor an acceptable form of birth control…though it appears to be working for the women nearest you.
OMG dude. 🤣
lol fuck right off with this shit.
Just like republicans. Why do you find that weird?
Are the leftists in the room with you right now?
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I suppose I don’t really know why I engage with willfully ignorant dumbasses. It’s just that it feels wrong to leave the really fucking stupidly wrong comments with no reply. I know it won’t break through the ignorance. They’re living in their own little alternate reality, ignoring everything that doesn’t fit into their little constructed worldview, attacking everyone who is actually trying to make the world a better place.
But I guess it makes me feel better to speak up against the stupidity, even though it’s useless. Because if we don’t, these idiots will dominate the conversation and it will end up with more people going down that path.
It’s like the anecdote of the bar where the guy is at the bar having a drink. Another guy walks in, goes up to the bar and orders a drink. Bartender tells him to get out. New guy says, “Hey, I just want to have a drink and relax, man.” Bartender has none of it, tells him to get out and never come back. New guy leaves, and our original guy asks the bartender about it, to which the bartender replies: “That guy had a swastika tattoo. He was a nazi. And the thing is, he probably would have been polite and had a drink and maybe even made friendly conversation. But the thing about nazis: Once he realized he was allowed here, he’d start bringing his other nazi friends. Once you let one of them in and stay, you become a nazi bar.”
It’s a little glurgy, and maybe it never happened or maybe it’s happened a hundred times… that’s the thing about anecdotes like that.
But the underlying principle is sound.
If we let these fucking fascists take over the conversation, soon this place will be no better than /r/the_donald or /r/conservative or Truth Social or any of the other places fascists congregate.
So I guess that’s why I speak up.
But I don’t really try to change their stupid opinions, because there’s no fucking point. All I really would like to see is for them to shut the fuck up and stop pissing all over the conversation.
They made themselves the right people with the genocide they support. 5 years ago it was a different story. But 100,000+ Palestinians later, I have no sympathy for Israelis. FAFO
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Maybe not - though the anti-Israel stance of most / many leftist certainly seems to be getting pretty rabid. And the person I called a ‘leftist’ didn’t dispute that claim.
Some people love dead Jews.
We love to supremacists who setup camping chairs and bring snacks to watch children be bombed by their supremacists military finally face consequences of the terror they’ve inflicted on so many nations and taste a tiny bit of their own medicine, and they happen to identify as Jews.
Israelis meanwhile unapologetically love watching “Arabs” die at their hands.
Not only die, they love watching them be tortured and raped as well.
I don’t.
But it sure is a little fucking difficult to have a lot of sympathy for fewer than two hundred INJURED Jews when Israel has murdered way more than 20,000 Palestinians - countless instances of running them over alive with bulldozers or tanks, crushing them alive in the treads, or just shooting random kids.
Little fucking difficult to feel too much sympathy there.
Must be “”“anti-zionism”“” again.
It’s a common Israeli talking point to associate any critique of their government with antisemitism.
It’s very transparent.
It’s the same people acting as mouthpieces that are silent when Israel actually targets hospitals or their soldiers torture babies and rape prisoners. Hard to pretend they aren’t the ones indoctrinated to hate a specific set of people.
Your hate towards anyone that isnt subservient to Israel has turned a massively shitty theocratic regime into some kind of weird underdog worth cheering for.
It’s like if Italy and Germany were fighting in WW2 and you dont understand why people are cheering on Italy, but even more, you actually think the Nazis are the good guys. Everyone else is simply going “they both suck but one is clearly worse than the other, because of the genocide and all”.
Put all the quotes that you like but you are either against Zionism or pro genocide.
It’s also a common anti-semite talking point to declare clear-as-day anti-semitism as anti-zionism.
Very transparent.
And btw. I am against zionism while still being able to tell that it’s a bad thing to slaughter civilians. Wonder why you aren’t.
Point me towards a comment where you have been critical of Israel bombing hospitals in Lebanon, bombing refugee camps in Palestine or causing over 1000 civilian deaths in Iran these past few weeks.
I know it’s a bad thing to kill civilians. That’s why I’m against the country that goes out of its way to do it. Israel revels in civilian deaths.
I know it’s a bad thing to kill civilians.
cool so we are in agreement as to my initial comment that it is fucked up to cheer dead civilians.
Israel’s & Israeli sympathizer’s labeling of antisemitism for all criticisms is making that phrase meaningless. They’re putting jewish people at risk by hiding behind it.
Just own it, people are hating on that country because they commit war crimes, warmonger nonstop, and use mossad to run pedo rings to influence / control their “allies” governments—then pretend to be the victim.
Has nothing to do with the faith of the people.
In this case, all the victims are disproportionately Zionists, so what you’re claiming is the less likely thing to be happening here. It’s also very transparent when Zionists try to hide behind the Jew identity so they can avoid consequences for their actions, you know?
In this case, all the victims are disproportionately Zionists
There is no possible way for you to know that. You are basing this assumption exclusively where these people happened to have been born.
