“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”
“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”
" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request. To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"
As much as I’d like to favor foss and federated messenger apps, telegram isn’t as much garbage as whatsapp:
1.The client is somewhat open source and have forks like Forkgram, Materialgram and unoffical clients like Telegrand.
2. Telegram isn’t E2EE by default but at least it doesn’t lie about it and have E2EE secret chat when nessesary, that means crucial chats stay on your device and the rest stay on their database recoverable and syncable across devices.
(Yes, whatsapp supposedly is E2EE but we can’t know for sure, it’s closed-source.)
3. You can use telegram as a cloud service with only 2GB per file limit, unlike whatsapp.
(There’s even a third-party app that utilise this as a cloud gallery.)
4. Even tho telegram has ads in large channels, telegram isn’t funded by a greedy big-corp and it doesn’t datamine you, ads are based on the channel’s topic.Yes, in terms of privacy, telegram isn’t the best option, Signal, Session, XMPP, Matrix, or SimpleX have better privacy features, less linkability and E2EE by default but telegram is very mainstream and got more publicity, making it the whatsapp alternative it advertises itself as-is.
Publicity doesn’t make a better messenger app, but for what it tries to do, it’s adoptable for simple users, doubles as cloud storage and is more secure than the garbage being whatsapp.Immigrating users to different apps is a headache on it’s own, but if they know of telegram and it’s not privacy invasive, that’s not bad.
Isn’t it possible to verify WhatsApp encryption with packet sniffing?
Where I am, Telegram is mainly used by alt- und far right figures close to Russia. Facts don’t matter in these circles any more. Feelings do. And Durov knows how to manage those.
His NAME is MARLINSPIKE?? Like the ancestral home of Captain Haddock from Tintin?! We really are living in a simulation
I don’t think, at this point, people who use Telegram do it for their privacy. I still use it, but I don’t trust it one bit more than I trust WhatsApp.
The body language in this video is wild.
Body language of the interviewer?
No, both. The interviewer seems extra comfortable at the start but by the end they both seem on the same level. I think in a good way, not sure it’s a good method to get a read on either of them if i know my friends 😆
They’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the world that this is an encrypted messaging app.
This is a play on people’s naivety. It is an encrypted messaging app in as much as regular messages are encrypted between the client and the server. It’s just that this achieves nothing for the user in terms of privacy unless you can both completely trust the provider (you shouldn’t) and be confident that the back-end can’t be compromised (you can’t).
They do also have “secret chats” that are apparently E2E encrypted, but you’d be mad at this point to give them the benefit of the doubt without at least looking at independent security audits of the client.
I stopped using Telegram as soon as I learned their chats aren’t E2E encrypted unless you create a secret chat. Their advertising is so misleading. Even WhatsApp is more private than Telegram.
Why are they sitting in a sauna?
Build sauna, host interview in sauna, sauna is tax writeoff
Damn that’s brilliant.
When you build a backdoor into your “encrypted messenger” its just a surveillance app
All these apps owned by corporations are just black boxes where you send information and nobody knows for certain what they do with it.
Best case, they parse it, cross it with other data and make it profitable (for them, not for you).
Worst case… Who knows…
Dude for the first 15s I thought this is porn
Raising money for Signal with OnlyFans
its the sauna
How I hate that saunas are associated with porn and sex. It’s not supposed to be sexual and more importantly it’s an awful, just terrible place to have sex
I don’t know man, those benches are nice for a variety of positions. Plus, you are already naked…
Just trust me on this one, 80’C+ room just isn’t the place for that sort of exercise. And it’s not like your heart rate isn’t up already lol. It’s a terrible experience
Slow down, big daddy! You can be gentle at it sometimes.
you are gonna feel way too gross in the sauna to wanna have sex
Why is this interview happening inside a sauna?
To me, that is just clickbait.
for the thumbnail :)
She likes putting guests on the hot seat.
Somehow all these years I thought that Marlinspike is either Swedish or Finnish, so the sauna would be on brand.
If you watch the video - its explained starting at 1:13, Moxie built it himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRi7mAGp7I
That’s fucking awesome
Why is this interview happening inside a sauna?
It’s his personal sauna. He built it himself.
Why did he invite the hot reporter chick to his sauna? would be the follow-up question…
It’s a sauna on a boat. She’s out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows. You know, she looks around and what does she see? Nothin’ but open ocean.
That explains that awkward interaction in the interview. It’s like an interview happening in the Black Lodge.
Because of the implication…
it’s the D.E.N.N.I.S. system working
If I had a personal sauna, I’d invite everyone. But I’m not from puritan central (USA) so that might be a foreign concept to some readers.
You answered yourself.
Right? If they’re just chatting this should be happening in a jacuzzi with nice glasses of milk 🍼 👍
Why not? I thought it was een interesting choice ;-P
Like in a sauna you should be completely exposed or something
They say the trick to public speaking is to picture the audience naked, but I actually prefer to do my interviews in a sauna so the audience pictures me naked.
SimpleX is the most private of the big three. No phone number or account needed. Able to self host.
Why did they do it to themselves to name it after the herpes virus tho?
Because the most common transmission vector is via family members? (HSV 1)
E.g. Your crazy uncle or news max loving grandparents
Pardon my French but what the fuck is SimpleX?
Herpes. It’s sexually transmitted, and it’s lifelong. You don’t want it.
Geeez, who are the other two?
A messenger app Musk touted as better than Signal some time ago
It’s a turd of an App, it’s not even close to ready for prime time.
Why you say its Bad?
most importantly it has a severe network effect problem. you will not find anyone to message on it
The answer is Simple!..
X
What are the big three, and what is the bar it’s jumping over to be consider big?
well, duh. it is also deeply annoying to navigate. It is like even shittier and less engaging reddit
weird to compare telegram to reddit, one is a messaging app and the other one is a link aggregator
but then both are used as forums
So are the comment sections below pork and beans recipes.
Any public discussion is technically a forum.
“Don’t use those other chat apps, where the barbarous Russians or sneaky Arabs could compel your data. Use my app instead: FedChat: Built For Feds, By Feds” - Feddy McFedderson, founder of SignalI mean I’m not a huge Signal fan but I certainly trust them far more than either telegram or whatsapp. I would at least be ok installing telegram if I had to; if someone told me I needed to download a meta product to save my own life I’d tell them I’m ready to die.
