FUCKING PAID?! sorry but isn’t the fediverse supposed to be free?! it’s decentralized so anyone can just host their own instance for free. youre a bot. i know Steve, dont lie to me, tell me, are you a person that works at communick?
If you’re not paying for domain and hosting someone else is. If you are so sure that’s free, why don’t you self-host your own instance?
I don’t know anything at all about communick, just saying. Supporting a fediverse provider run by individuals who otherwise volunteer their time monetarily is a virtue not a sin, and plenty of open projects do this.
It’s not free. Servers and bandwidth cost money.
If you’re not paying, someone is being generous and paying for you.
No I don’t work there. But I have been paying for 2 years. And it’s the only way for the Fediverse to scale. Donations won’t get us to 100M users and beyond.
Not even 100 subscribers.
But I was referring to the Fediverse in general. It won’t ever scale to a real global default social network, on the donations and the kindness of strangers.
If we don’t pay for it, then it’ll be paid for by adds.
Then we’re back to what we’re trying to get away from.
Communick or whatever, just pay. Even if it’s a donation.
It won’t ever scale to a real global default social network, on the donations and the kindness of strangers
The issue is: I don’t think people are bothered enough with commercial social media to the point of paying for an alternative. Think about it, even with the majority of Fedi instances being free to use, not many people stopped using Twitter/Reddit/Instagram. So I think Fedi instances need to be free to use while it’s small to attract new users.
Sure, but if you make it mandatory to pay for anyone to use - it doesn’t grow. And if you’re right about the Fediverse, donations aren’t enough and it also dies.
People make lots of online buisness that grow just fine.
It’s just when people get used to a kind of thing being free, they feel like its impossible or stupid to pay for it. Even when those same people complain about how enshittification ruins everything, they refuse to directly pay instead.
Hosting your own instance will always cost money? Either as an electricity bill, or in the form of paying someone else’s electricity bill and server maintenance for conveniencd. Even self-hosted server admins pay with their time in away also, there’s even moderation to consider as well.
I mean… Some people will host free servers, some will be paid. Omg.lol has a fedi server, and a bunch of other stuff, and it costs $20 per year for it. It’s fine to expect users to pay you back for your time, effort, and cost???
Even self-hosted servers have a price, VPS also, so is not just about lurking for free to keep the fediverse alive. Everything has a price in this life you sound like a tankie.
FUCKING PAID?! sorry but isn’t the fediverse supposed to be free?! it’s decentralized so anyone can just host their own instance for free. youre a bot. i know Steve, dont lie to me, tell me, are you a person that works at communick?
If you’re not paying for domain and hosting someone else is. If you are so sure that’s free, why don’t you self-host your own instance?
I don’t know anything at all about communick, just saying. Supporting a fediverse provider run by individuals who otherwise volunteer their time monetarily is a virtue not a sin, and plenty of open projects do this.
It’s not free. Servers and bandwidth cost money.
If you’re not paying, someone is being generous and paying for you.
No I don’t work there. But I have been paying for 2 years. And it’s the only way for the Fediverse to scale. Donations won’t get us to 100M users and beyond.
With respect to Communick, I doubt you’d get close to 100m subscribers either.
Not even 100 subscribers.
But I was referring to the Fediverse in general. It won’t ever scale to a real global default social network, on the donations and the kindness of strangers.
If we don’t pay for it, then it’ll be paid for by adds.
Then we’re back to what we’re trying to get away from.
Communick or whatever, just pay. Even if it’s a donation.
The issue is: I don’t think people are bothered enough with commercial social media to the point of paying for an alternative. Think about it, even with the majority of Fedi instances being free to use, not many people stopped using Twitter/Reddit/Instagram. So I think Fedi instances need to be free to use while it’s small to attract new users.
Sure, but if you make it mandatory to pay for anyone to use - it doesn’t grow. And if you’re right about the Fediverse, donations aren’t enough and it also dies.
People make lots of online buisness that grow just fine.
It’s just when people get used to a kind of thing being free, they feel like its impossible or stupid to pay for it. Even when those same people complain about how enshittification ruins everything, they refuse to directly pay instead.
I didn’t say it couldn’t grow, just that model becoming huge is very unlikely.
Fair enough. I guess it could grow, but I don’t really have any reason to believe it’ll grow at a rate beyond the Fediverse now.
…where have you gotten the impression that it’s “supposed to” be free?
Nothing is free. Someone is paying for hardware, electricity, internet, and man hours.
On legacy social media, the advertisers and the consumers of your data are paying.
On the fediverse, someone in the community is paying.
Hosting your own instance will always cost money? Either as an electricity bill, or in the form of paying someone else’s electricity bill and server maintenance for conveniencd. Even self-hosted server admins pay with their time in away also, there’s even moderation to consider as well.
I mean… Some people will host free servers, some will be paid. Omg.lol has a fedi server, and a bunch of other stuff, and it costs $20 per year for it. It’s fine to expect users to pay you back for your time, effort, and cost???
Even self-hosted servers have a price, VPS also, so is not just about lurking for free to keep the fediverse alive. Everything has a price in this life you sound like a tankie.