Civility and society are a social contract, if someone rips theirs up to free themselves from its restrictions, they also remove themselves from its protections.
Civility and society are social contracts. I let the government do its job unimpeded when it is abiding by the contract. When they aren’t, then I don’t.
The reality is that the societal contract broke down a long time ago, and the illusion of safety has been mollifying people since MLK (and likely before). There have always been fascists at the wheel, the only difference now is they are mask off and more indiscriminate.
So my question is, do we vilify every healthcare worker who did more than sit by to help a fascist? Do we demean them for doing what they thought was right? Am I ask them to be judge, jury, and executioner so that the fascists all die off?
You are allowed proportional force in defending yourself, so if Timmy tries to hit you you are indeed allowed to hit him back insofar as it pertains to stopping harm being done to you or others.
Nothing wrong with that. If Timmy hit me first, Timmy should expect a broken nose. That’s how you deal with bullies. It works every time, perhaps with occasional reinforcement.
It’s nice to think about things like morality, humanity, and diplomacy…in a vacuum. The world is a bastardization of that vacuum.
We know that the fascists will do anything to achieve their goals. They don’t follow court orders, they violate constitutional rights constantly.
When one of the pigs breaks down your door, kidnaps your family, ignores judge’s ruling’s ordering the release of your family, sexually assaults your women and children, chokes the men out unconscious, possibly killing some of them in the process—you would not bat an eye to see one of them squealing in pain.
It wouldn’t make you feel better, but you’d know there is one less feral pig on the streets.
I guess I am not convinced that they are all fascists. You see enemies, I see victims of fascists rulers who have used their fear to warp their minds.
I see fear in them. I see fear in you. I also never said I wouldn’t shoot them. I did say that slaughtering then when they are down is barbaric.
Your position relies on a strawman enemy and a lack of humanity. The very thing you despise in them you become.
It’s wild that we have nearly a hundred years since WW2 and we seem to forget that fear lead to all the atrocities that occured here in the name of fighting fascists.
The big thing is, I am not afraid of them. I cautious, I won’t let them harm me. But if I fear them, then they already won.
No, but in a world where we let someone die due to a medical emergency we could have assisted in, then I am not convinced there are “good” people either.
And if there are no “good” people, then what are we even fighting for?
I replied to your other comment, too.
Something seems off about your position.
It’s like watching the Patriot, the scene where the cavalry is at the farm, and they shoot all the recovering revolutionaries. It’s just barbaric.
Civility and society are a social contract, if someone rips theirs up to free themselves from its restrictions, they also remove themselves from its protections.
Civility and society are social contracts. I let the government do its job unimpeded when it is abiding by the contract. When they aren’t, then I don’t.
The reality is that the societal contract broke down a long time ago, and the illusion of safety has been mollifying people since MLK (and likely before). There have always been fascists at the wheel, the only difference now is they are mask off and more indiscriminate.
So my question is, do we vilify every healthcare worker who did more than sit by to help a fascist? Do we demean them for doing what they thought was right? Am I ask them to be judge, jury, and executioner so that the fascists all die off?
Ah. A classic “Timmy hit me first” scenario.
You are allowed proportional force in defending yourself, so if Timmy tries to hit you you are indeed allowed to hit him back insofar as it pertains to stopping harm being done to you or others.
Nothing wrong with that. If Timmy hit me first, Timmy should expect a broken nose. That’s how you deal with bullies. It works every time, perhaps with occasional reinforcement.
It’s nice to think about things like morality, humanity, and diplomacy…in a vacuum. The world is a bastardization of that vacuum.
We know that the fascists will do anything to achieve their goals. They don’t follow court orders, they violate constitutional rights constantly.
When one of the pigs breaks down your door, kidnaps your family, ignores judge’s ruling’s ordering the release of your family, sexually assaults your women and children, chokes the men out unconscious, possibly killing some of them in the process—you would not bat an eye to see one of them squealing in pain.
It wouldn’t make you feel better, but you’d know there is one less feral pig on the streets.
I guess I am not convinced that they are all fascists. You see enemies, I see victims of fascists rulers who have used their fear to warp their minds.
I see fear in them. I see fear in you. I also never said I wouldn’t shoot them. I did say that slaughtering then when they are down is barbaric.
Your position relies on a strawman enemy and a lack of humanity. The very thing you despise in them you become.
It’s wild that we have nearly a hundred years since WW2 and we seem to forget that fear lead to all the atrocities that occured here in the name of fighting fascists.
The big thing is, I am not afraid of them. I cautious, I won’t let them harm me. But if I fear them, then they already won.
Relating this back to the story of the women who saved the pig, do not help them.
It is very simple. Every person who works with ICE is a fascist. There is no denying that. Do you really think there are “good” agents out there?
No, but in a world where we let someone die due to a medical emergency we could have assisted in, then I am not convinced there are “good” people either.
And if there are no “good” people, then what are we even fighting for?