• blackris@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 days ago

    This is such a shitty take on reality, after the remains of a failed empire that are called russia have begun a war against Europe years ago. With troops on the ground in Ukraine, with sabotage, murders and informational warfare elsewhere in Europe.

    Also throwing Israel and Ukraine in one bag while Israel, like Russia, is clearly the agressor, committing horrible war crimes, is a fucking joke.

    Go away, tankie.

    • Digit@lemmy.wtf
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      1 day ago

      Who started it is a little more nuanced.

      For a mere start, the UN’s breaches of the treaty that was keeping the peace, provoked russia with existential threats. Which of course, they responded to, eventually. Some say “crazy” (I think without knowing why, so of course it looked crazy to them). Some say quite conservatively, like the only adults in the room. Truth may be somewhere both between, and off to another side entirely.

      Though I wish you all the very best of luck finding balanced reporting on that, covering (or even touching on, with even a mere mention of) the deeper causal contexts of that. Let alone to the PNAC [(more on that in a bit ~ it’s not just the “invade 7 countries in 5 years” as originally posed)] and the deeper plans of which the PNAC plans sits in as merely one small (or large) part. E.g. even just starting starting from https://search.brave.com/search?q=2014+donbas | https://yandex.com/search/?text=donbas+2014 and what precipitated it.

      It gets more interesting yet when considering the leaders of both sides are all in the same club, with the same shared interests and priorities, where the “war” as presented is just a cover, to throw more “ordinary people” (ordinance, cannon fodder) into the meat grinder, to eliminate the main threat they share, which is not other nations, but the people everywhere rising up against government and leaders.

      Then it gets even more interesting yet where it gets even murkier at the “top”. Delving into the confounding uncertainties of skinsuits, clones, robots, deep fakes, and the banking system (BIS and beyond), the secret societies network, thinktanks, and “intelligence” networks and “beyond black” ops…

      • (and, not to mention the aliens and/or aliens psyop (~ looped back into the PNAC’s side ploys of contingency plans (the fake terrorism scam, the fake pandemic scam, the fake nuclear war scam, and the final one, the fake alien invasion scam ~ and with fake economic collapse scams and fake climate disaster scams (using weather manipulation (warfare) technology) as side dishes along the way)) for mass distraction and problem-reaction-solution to further have us eagerly give away our power to them, to protect us).

      The first casualty of war… is the truth.

      Listen to those who seek the truth.

      Run from those who claim to have found it.

      (Then why didn’t I run? These three lines from Akira sum it up nicely: “It must be a trap.” “Then why are you still going?!” “I want to find out what kind of a trap it is.”)

    • doben@lemmy.wtf
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      2 days ago

      Thanks, I prefer my shitty take over your scrubby narrative rehash without actual grounding in reality. Not sure how it helps calling everyone with dissenting perspectives a tankie makes any sense. Surely only, if you’re actively trying to remain ignorant and keep your indoctrinated mind at ease.