Once again you fail to engage with the criticism, you bore me to death.

You trying to argument, that because this little fascist up there was talking about (group of people), that calling out the fascist language they used to describe said group, is off-topic? I was setting the topic in this thread by calling out his dehumanizing rhetoric. Get a grip.

Come on goat, be a bit more honest. Else we‘re done for now, because this is getting embarrassing.

bruh, we never talked about tankies or liberals, stay on topic. We‘re talking about the abhorrent nature of this very community. Are you saying you people are unable to act human, as long as there are other entities out there that don‘t do that? What kind of dumb argument is that? Don‘t you have some kind of self-efficacy?

This is not about tankies or any other funny category of people, it is sorely about the toxic nature of your community.

Why would I have to condemn anything I have nothing to do with, in order for you to grow some metaphorical balls and condemn rotten behaviour in the very community you are moderating?

„I‘ll condemn when you condemn“ - bruh, I‘m not 13 anymore, what is this dumb shit?

Why are you acting so cowardly? Show how proud you are: „We here on (group) are closet-facsists and proud of it! Fuck them (insert hated group), they are roaches and we want them gone.“ Own up to it at least, fascism is en vogue again, nobody’s gonna jail you for it. But at least be honest about it, and towards yourself.

I know it seems super complicated, but how about you stay focused on the criticism put forward, instead of defaulting to whataboutism?

We are here right now to talk about the fascist, hateful and willful ignorant culture of your community (which has been my case all along, thanks for linking to the previous thread, although randomly towards the end) in this very thread, today by the example of this fabulous being I confronted up there.

Why do you have such a hard time to engage with that criticism? Is it because you enjoy fascist company? Do you condemn dehumanizing language being used in your community?

Ridicule me however you want, you‘re still the one happily using fascist language.

Alright, so you agree that you do dehumanize people you don‘t like (for whatever reason) and are proud of doing so, because you think you are doing it for the right reasons? Just like any fascist, thanks for clearing that up. Or do you have trouble understanding the concept of dehumanization? Also, @goat@sh.itjust.works, I rest my case.

But you are dehumanizing people with a different political ideology by calling them roaches (repeatedly). Why tho? You do realize that‘s shit that fascists do. Are you a fascist? You do sound like a Nazi talking about Jews; or a Zionist talking about Palestinians. Why do you do that?

Europeans generated their wealth by robbing it from the colonies, by subjugating the local indiginous population, forcing their religion on them, destroying their culture, enslaving them to extract ressources. But they didn‘t bother to bring any of their achievements for the locals to enjoy, just extraction, sucking them dry under brute force.

Apart from that, progressive policies such as same-sex marriage didn‘t just come into fruition, because Europeans are such a cool bunch, this kind of progress had to be fought for by the minorities themselves. And it will be taken away again the further capitalism falls into it’s natural crisis named fascism; see trans rights / DEI in the US or just have a look at far right talking points surging in Europe also.

Every-fucking-thing is the fault of Europeans. You really don‘t have to take it personally, tho. You as an individual are not at fault. But the level of your own ignorance lies in your own hands.

The point is, comparing European cultural progress with that of their plundered colonies is one of the most disingeniuous and chauvinist things you can do. Don‘t be that guy.

Oh look, no argument, like at all, none, nada. Only arrogant ridicule and ad hominem, as if I havent laid that bare a couple comments ago. At least try to show that you are a sincere subject. How boring.

what an unhinged reaction

Delivered as ordered. Here to impress you.

also it’s than

Thanks, always a class act and so helpful. And that‘s all you got? Who cares, lol.

Should be fine to call you out as the dipshit, head roach and dictator cock sucker that you are, wouldn‘t you agree? Or does that only apply to „others“? Maybe we should just get rid of you and this deranged community?

What are your thoughts on this? Or on any of the other arguments and questions I‘ve put forward, annoyed, but at least in good faith? You haven’t answered one.

If you want to lead such an important community, maybe lead by example and be better thän the people you „document“? Don‘t you want to act as transparent as possible, after all, we need your point of view, so the unhinged commentators actually have something to refer to, instead of projecting? This can only increase post quality!

goooaaat, you dipshit, don‘t chicken out, what are you afraid of? Aren‘t you rationally and morally superior? Bring forth some kind of intellectually honest thought. I allow you to be unhinged, as well. Show us your true colours!

E: I‘m serious, tho, in as far as I‘m quite disappointed, that although I tried to engage in (IMO) serious criticism, you offered not one serious exchange. You can reject that as unserious projection, or whatever you need to not actually engage, but please realise, that you turn out to be deeply unserious, yourself, as you don‘t even manage to answer the most basic questions about your own stated opinions or the behaviour of your users. And that does paint a picture.

I was especially talking about blocking lemmy instances, but wasn‘t very clear on that. I‘m with you. Their conclusion was to block the goof‘s instance. By your logic then, they‘d have to stop consuming media period.

Yes yes, I wasn‘t very clear here. I didn‘t argue for RT, idgaf about them. I‘m talking about blocking lemmy instances, because of ideologic dissonances. GL, fellow goof.

Every large state actor uses media as a propaganda tool, I‘m sure you know that. Blocking yourself to only get fed one version is … well, how about you build some media literacy and sharpen your critical thinking skills, instead. That way you‘ll be able to really decide for yourself. How long did western media parrot IDF propaganda? Oh, they still do? Damn ol‘ reality!

Who are the other belligerents?

Here you go, fishing for trigger words. I‘m certain you know some of the accusations already, but for a myriad of reasons never seriously engaged with them. But you do seem to like making fun of the people bringing them up.

So, tell me, where are your doubts or holes in your own narrative and I might be willing to provide you with a vantage point from my perspective, so as a result we actually can have a sincere exchange.

Until now, tho, I haven‘t gotten the impression, that you are asking in good faith and I‘m unwilling to enter debate bro territory.

Anyway, I answered OPs (rhetorical) question with well enough key words for you to start your own little reading endeavor. You don‘t need to be scared to become a tankie for actually reading stuff that‘s not western mainstream, since that „angle“ is supported by actual American scholars and journalists, already (if that makes it more approachable for you).

I like how you’re calling people who post a pig shitting on itself as a “more serious people”

Not sure exactly what your point is other then displaying your rotten character.

You‘re babysitting a community, that exists and thrives only to poke fun at another set of people they‘ve learned to disagree with, even dehumanizing them, wanting to get rid of them, and you‘re participating and replicating it. The justification is „documenting“, but all you‘re documenting is your very limited world view and your malice.

What’s a person to think of this kind of mindset?

Tell me, because that‘s the purpose of this thread.

And how are they ignorant exactly?

Saying that ignorance creates fascism is extremely vague, that can mean anything.

Hm, yes indeed, since ignorance implies a lack of knowledge, this might not be the most precise term. What’s observable here is more of a willful set of actions and beliefs that‘s actively fostered: dehumanization, tribalism, hate, bigotry, malevolance, eliminationism.

Ignorance goes along with that, but might be a step removed. Let‘s call it wilful ignorance then. What it leads to other than fascism? Maybe think about that yourself, instead of asking outsiders, that you don‘t take seriously anyway.

But how do any of these comments support your claim that liberalism is fascism?

If you want a more serious discussion, we can certainly have one for a bit, you can start

Good bait. Bad reading comprehension. You’re a troll and acting in bad faith. Let‘s discuss, once you grow up.

E: Earlier you said this, too bad you didn‘t expand on it:

I agree that the West looks at the world with a western lens and that is ignorant.

What did you actually mean here? What is ignorant about it? What are the consequences? What is this „western lens“ actually doing with this community? And why are you running a community built on ignorance then? Classic Lib strategy of saying things that sound progressive, but upon closer inspection are empty shells to hide their ignorance?

Alright, there‘s no „questioning Ukraine‘s sovereignty“ by deadnaming it from my side. I already started leaving the „the“ out from other comments, so thanks for the English lesson, I appreciate it.

I forgot nothing, tho, I was rather describing a valid political analysis that offers an answer to OP‘s question, and the only one as it stands. It‘s a starting point, of course not the complete story.

There‘s also no gotcha to be had. Concluding with „Russia bad“, because they invaded Ukraine is, although true as a statement of fact, dishonest and overly simplistic. Downplaying or downright whitewashing the role of the USA is … lacking, at best.

@metallic_substance@lemmy.world calls the whole instance, or rather their users dipshits, has no argument, only ad hominem.

@finitebanjo@lemmy.world offers insults involving cocks, not sure what‘s up with that, but that sure is another ad hominem without any argument.

@finitebanjo@lemmy.world just doesn‘t take reality seriously, but thinks he‘s being clever by making fun of people that argue against capitalism.

@gabbath@lemmy.world has similar delusions about imperialism

Both are unserious people that have not a single original thing to offer, except ridicule towards more serious people.

I absolutely misread the comment about „the best way to nuke any lefty community“ by @Gsus4@feddit.nl and therefore edited it out of my original comment.

Anyway, the observation is, that this community is oozing with toxic behaviour, circlejerking on another group of people that they obviously don‘t even try to understand, but are afraid of and want to exlude or „get rid off“. Void of any arguments. This shit is what ignorant people do.

@goat@sh.itjust.works (you, mod) stays superficial in their reaction on the content itself only to construct a strawman about a group that wasn‘t mentioned with an argument that wasn‘t made. — but, this might have been an honest interpretation, alright.

Btw, goat, what is „ignorance“ in its political manifestation, if not the foundation of fascism? We should do better. You should do better. This place is a disgrace to any kind of intellectual discourse and the fediverse as a whole. You‘re modding a community driven by blind hatred.

It‘s nice that you want that kind of explanation, but that‘s not what I offered. You can argue strawmen all day, but your question wasn‘t asked.

What I’m saying is, that what Ukraine wants is just wholly irrelevant, as two nuclear powers have to figure out some stuff between themselves.

What’s up, smelling some conspiracy?  OMG, you might just be on to something!

Or, go figure, my native language could just use definitive articles for what is just „Ukraine“ in the English language and I just made a grammatical mistake, which has nothing to do with the content of what has been said. How about you engage with that instead.

One angle of analysis is, that this war is a proxy war between the world‘s hegemon and a state that does not want to be subjugated to their rule, but rather insists on their own sovereignty.

The power balance in the world tipped in the (now) hegemons favor with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Since then the US further increased the pressure on the remnants of the old world power, Russia, through their military alliances they have with other, subjugated, western states.

The US works to stay the only power in the whole world, which is right now a so-called unipolar world, but lots of other countries aim for a multipolar world, because they don‘t want to suffer under the heavy boot of the US. Some might even strive to do things differently, but if they try, the bully of the world comes knocking.

The Ukraine, which also wants sovereignty, only has a marginal voice in all of this.

I didn‘t call anyone fascist directly, but rather described what they are doing in reality as fascist — in a facetious way, sure, but nonetheless the truth®.

IMO, enlightened centrists are not equal to liberals, as that kind of category describes people that reject any kind of extreme position, while also laying claim on what is and what isn‘t the right thing to do or think and where these borders are to be drawn, all while being unable to break through their own biases and misconceptions … and always (!) end up personally attacking their opponent or argue against strawmen.

Autocratic extremists in their own right. Destructive overall and enablers of fascist thought and therefore enablers of fascist realities.

Here, in this very thread, we have folks, that are very likely economically oppressed themselves, but also refuse to actually educate themselves or can‘t stand to get educated by people that genuinely try to improve society. They rather ridicule the people, that use words like „capitalism“ or „imperialism“, as if those words weren‘t real things that shape the world we all live in, trying to „win“ in the name of their perspective, while also ignoring half the equation. Or that guy that downright wants to „nuke all leftist communities“. But surely, no fascists in sight.