Not to protect /e/os and Iode (neither to promote the french laws), but I would like to have real source of what’s happening, what /e/os and idoe didn’t do right, when they conveyed fakes about graphene…
Not to say but the graphene community (mainly his leader) is always having drama with some people.
So real proofs and explanations would be greatly appreciated.
Wouldn’t like to say black or white to this subject and would like to nuance the post
Gael Duval (/e/os) wrote as a response:
"I’d like to state *very clearly* that Murena and e Foundation are not related in case to this ridiculous and pseudo-drama.
What we seek is to totally ignore these guys, and have nothing to do with them.
And again, and again, despite what they are repeating, we are NOT competitors, as we are not in the hardened-security market spaces."
yeah as a graphene user I have been worried for a while now about the mental state of the project head. It also doesn’t seem like he cares much for the opinions of the users
If you’re wondering, I checked a bit online and here’s what I understood :
The 19th November a newspaper in France called “Le Parisien” published an article about GrapheneOS and that it was a dream OS for drug dealer (and whole networks).
That it could erase itself if a intrusion was detected by showing for example a fake Snapchat page (which is btw totally false and doesn’t take part in the official releases), these claims where besides made by french cops.
For that, the newspaper contacted Graphene, and they (graphene) answered that the tool they’re providing is simply working and that like a knife it could be used for malicious activities, but as with a knife most people would use it responsibly (to protect their privacy)
At this point I think that the Graphene reaction was pretty great and acted to defend citizens privacy.
But what follows next didn’t make the same impression, by quitting the France they are not really focusing on the good topics :
1 - France cops are no exceptions to others, surely all of them around the world would like to break encryption and privacy (grapheneOS for example)
2 - That’s not the government that propagates wrong statement about graphene, but the journalists from “Le Parisien” (if they can be called “journalists”)
(The authorities maybe lied (not the first time btw) to scare the public, the newspaper shouldn’t published it with fakes in it…)
And accusing any French based initiative is not an argument (at first they didn’t have anything to do between french authorities and graphene)
Even if FOSS projects have a country on the paper, it’s not really much more of a negative aspect than to respect the laws in place…
So why Graphene doesn’t blame Framasoft (guys that are maintaining peertube) for example?
And lastly in Europe many initiatives gets money from governments (whatever they’re doing)
Note : I’m not saying that /e/os and Iode aren’t guilty of anything sketchy but that in this case Graphene are just insulting FOSS privacy projects…
To conclude, I would say that Graphene done right by replying and arguing to a bullshit article.
BUT they shouldn’t generalize to all french projects and promote hate against frenchies and/or french projects
(Btw they moved their servers from France to Germany and Canada, these countries are no more private than France and any others countries)
This is roughly what I thought, part sensible part taking tinfoil hat a little too far even for a privacy developer. Really the ones doing the most harm to graphene seem to be google
Well if anyone is out to get you it sure seems everyone is out to get you, or something.
I think I’d get paranoid and antsy as a lead dev of GrapheneOS, too. Couple that with a certain brain structure needed to be a lead developer and connect two and two to figure out why lead developers are rarely good community managers.
I hope Daniel Micay doesn’t go cray cray. I really like what they did here.
Not to protect /e/os and Iode (neither to promote the french laws), but I would like to have real source of what’s happening, what /e/os and idoe didn’t do right, when they conveyed fakes about graphene…
Not to say but the graphene community (mainly his leader) is always having drama with some people. So real proofs and explanations would be greatly appreciated. Wouldn’t like to say black or white to this subject and would like to nuance the post
Gael Duval (/e/os) wrote as a response:
"I’d like to state *very clearly* that Murena and e Foundation are not related in case to this ridiculous and pseudo-drama.
What we seek is to totally ignore these guys, and have nothing to do with them.
And again, and again, despite what they are repeating, we are NOT competitors, as we are not in the hardened-security market spaces."
yeah as a graphene user I have been worried for a while now about the mental state of the project head. It also doesn’t seem like he cares much for the opinions of the users
If you’re wondering, I checked a bit online and here’s what I understood :
The 19th November a newspaper in France called “Le Parisien” published an article about GrapheneOS and that it was a dream OS for drug dealer (and whole networks).
That it could erase itself if a intrusion was detected by showing for example a fake Snapchat page (which is btw totally false and doesn’t take part in the official releases), these claims where besides made by french cops.
For that, the newspaper contacted Graphene, and they (graphene) answered that the tool they’re providing is simply working and that like a knife it could be used for malicious activities, but as with a knife most people would use it responsibly (to protect their privacy)
At this point I think that the Graphene reaction was pretty great and acted to defend citizens privacy.
But what follows next didn’t make the same impression, by quitting the France they are not really focusing on the good topics :
1 - France cops are no exceptions to others, surely all of them around the world would like to break encryption and privacy (grapheneOS for example)
2 - That’s not the government that propagates wrong statement about graphene, but the journalists from “Le Parisien” (if they can be called “journalists”)
(The authorities maybe lied (not the first time btw) to scare the public, the newspaper shouldn’t published it with fakes in it…)
And accusing any French based initiative is not an argument (at first they didn’t have anything to do between french authorities and graphene)
Even if FOSS projects have a country on the paper, it’s not really much more of a negative aspect than to respect the laws in place…
So why Graphene doesn’t blame Framasoft (guys that are maintaining peertube) for example?
And lastly in Europe many initiatives gets money from governments (whatever they’re doing)
Note : I’m not saying that /e/os and Iode aren’t guilty of anything sketchy but that in this case Graphene are just insulting FOSS privacy projects…
To conclude, I would say that Graphene done right by replying and arguing to a bullshit article.
BUT they shouldn’t generalize to all french projects and promote hate against frenchies and/or french projects (Btw they moved their servers from France to Germany and Canada, these countries are no more private than France and any others countries)
This is roughly what I thought, part sensible part taking tinfoil hat a little too far even for a privacy developer. Really the ones doing the most harm to graphene seem to be google
Well if anyone is out to get you it sure seems everyone is out to get you, or something.
I think I’d get paranoid and antsy as a lead dev of GrapheneOS, too. Couple that with a certain brain structure needed to be a lead developer and connect two and two to figure out why lead developers are rarely good community managers.
I hope Daniel Micay doesn’t go cray cray. I really like what they did here.
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