Seriously, what Israel is doing today is no different from what the Nazis did before and at the beginning of World War II, extreme nationalism, illegal expansion, annexation of foreign territory claiming it historically belongs to them, propaganda using the latest technology, terrorizing neighbors, military at the center of society.
What Israel is doing nowadays IS different from what the NAZIs did: the Zionists aren’t yet attacking the “superior” races.
The Humanitarianism in Western “Democracies” was always performative, the least democratic the nation the more performative it was, which I why generally you see the most support for Israel in the countries with the least democratic voting systems like the US and the UK (though present day Germany is a bit of an exception to this since they have a mixed voting system with a Proportional Vote component).
Way back in the beginning of NAZIsm the European and American elites loved the NAZIs and their ideas (for example, there is a picture of young British Princess Elizabeth, later Queen Elizabeth, being taught how to do a NAZI salute by her uncle, the then King) and it was only when the NAZIs attacked other Europeans that they turned against the NAZIs. This actually makes lots of sense as the NAZI ideas of the inherent superiority of some over others, especially along ethnic lines, were normalized in early XXth Century American and European society and very popular amongst the old-wealth elites (which naturally saw themselves as inherently superior to the rest, as that explained their higher status and priviledges in their societies - they deserved to be born into wealth because they were superior people)
We’re looking back at the NAZIs from the end of a long track that included a period of propaganda heavilly against them which was necessary to inspire the population to support the war effort against them - in the period betwen then and now all the shit they did came out and none of it was reframed to seem justifiable (as is being done right now for the Zionist Genocide by many politicians and news media), quite the contrary: through some of the most powerful means to do so - dramatic films - we were made to experience and empathize with some of the pain of the victims of the Holocaust, mainly the Jewish (curiously, that of the Roma and Sindi was pretty much ignored) as well as repeatedly made to feel pride in the actions of the men and women that fought against the NAZIs in WWII and in the Resistance movements in places like France (just compare the portrayal of the Resistance Française to how Hamas is being portrayed)
I have little doubt that had the NAZIs just sticked to exterminating “lesser races” (like in the eyes of just about every Racist out there the Zionists are doing), the “pragmatism” (read, treating Principles as secondary to the Economic interests of the elites and themselves) of those in “Democratic” governments would have a lot of them justifying, reframing, denying and excusing the murderous actions of the NAZIs and claiming they didn’t really do a Genocide, same as they do now for the murderous actions of the Zionists.
By the way, this also explains the massive difference in the reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the reaction to the Israeli Genocide in Gaza, even though the latter is thousands of times more murderous for civilians.
I don’t think that there’s any causal link there. New Zealand still doesn’t recognise the Palestinian state and has arguably the most democratic voting system. Australia has just recognised it (same as the UK) but still fund it, and we have a fairly democratic voting system.
True, I’m a bit unsure on that front.
It’s true that the least democratic (in terms of voting systems) of the so-called “Democratic” nations, such as the US, UK and even Canada are invariably amongst the ones whose governments most support Israel even against public opinion, but there are several examples of countries which have supposedly much more democratic voting systems and whose governments still strongly support Israel.
Clearly how close a country is to democratic “perfection” in terms of the allocation of parliamentary representatives matching the choice of the population through their vote, is far from the full picture in terms of explaining the posture of politicians in those countries with regards to this Genocide.
Bestie, China supports Palestine and they are one of the least democratic nations. To say it has any correlation at all is ridiculous. But if you want me to go and compare the democracy index and get you a p-value I’ll do it.
It’s more that I think there are multiple factors, one of which is how much politicians in power represent the will of the people.
For example, a nation being allied or not to the US also seems to infliuence their support or not for Israel whilst it commits a Genocide.
I would be surprised if that p-value is close to 1, but I would also be surprised if it’s close to 0.
Yes, because pissing off the US as an ally is generally an unwanted outcome and they are staunchly pro-Israel?
Except that for nations inside the EU that’s a lot less so than for small nations outside the EU, mainly because the main tools that the US can use to pressure nations are military - which if done against Europe would very likely elicit a reaction similar to that against the Russian invasion and destroy NATO and the entire tapestry of US alliances in the West - and trade (such as Tariffs) which the if the US tries to impose on a single EU nation will, due to EU treaties, treaty elicity a response from the entire EU, a market of 470 million people on the top 25% of wealth in World terms, so that would end up costing a lot more to the US than to said nation.
Whilst it’s totally understandable for small and mid-sized nations which are US allies and outside trade blocks like the EU, to just go along with US foreign policy - even as extreme as supporting a Genocidal state mid-Genocide like this - because they have no other choice, even tiny EU nations do in fact have a choice because the US would have to go against the whole of the EU to significantly hit those nations.
So whilst the likes of New Zeeland pretty much have no other options than to go along with the US on this (at the very least to just shut up and act as if nothing is happenning), the likes of The Netherlands definitelly have other options and yet their politicians have been dragging their feet on stopping support for Israel.
This is probably why all nations which are allies of the US and were almost from the start overtly against Israel and their Genocide are in the EU (such as Spain and the Republic Of Ireland).
All this to say that no one single factor decides it, IMHO.
Today, Christofascism is, if not just strongly allied to Zionist ethnic supremacy, is subservient to it. Biblical passages that validate all Netanyahu actions become the most important biblical passages, for scum like Ted Cruz to say out loud. It’s a common goal to exterminate Islam. The only explanation for the confluence is Zionist money determining elections is also Zionist money determining Christian pastor sermons. It started with rapture absurdity, but it’s now total agreement that Jews are the chosen people and deserve every land claim. The bribery to accept Jewish supremacy does not ever go away, and supposed rapture moment where Jews are supposed to convert to Christianity, will never come.
Gaslighting the right/christofacsits to support Israel is encouraging their violent fascist support that is useful to Israel. Anytime a Jew is harmed in America, media must do 24/7 Zionist/Israel supremacy propaganda, and so the best possible outcome for Zionism.
My interpretation is that for the politicians involved, Religion and Political Ideology are nothing more than the means via which they manipulate other people in order to maximize their own personal upsides - the politicians playing the crowd have zero belief in those things and via their statements in those domains are merely using them as levers to be pulled in the mind of the common people to make them do what is in the interest of the patrons of those politicians.
As far as I can tell just about all that we’re seeing in modern politics is explained by the Sociopaths shamelessly using Tribalism and Religion (neither of which they actually believe in) as tools to move the public in order to achieve things that either make them wealthier or which they are being forced to do because they are being blackmailed by people who have proof of them having commited attrocious deeds in the past.
Unlike for a normal person, for a Sociopath the consequences of their actions being the deaths of tens of thousands of babies are entirelly irrelevant - they couldn’t give a rats arse about the suffering or joy of people who cannot pay them back for them making it happen, and for a Western politician Palestinian babies are definitely in the “whatever we do to them there will never be any payback” class.
All of this shit just feels outrageous and almost unimaginable to us because we’re not Sociopaths or Psychopaths and their way of relating to other people entirelly without feeling or empathy is so alien to us that we instinctivelly do not want to believe human beings will behave like that - for example, even though logically and intellectually I know that Trump doesn’t care for truthfulness or lack of it and just says whatever is convenient for him, and even given all that he has done so far, when I hear the guy there is still a part of me which wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, same as for everybody else out there, and just doesn’t want to accept that somebody doesn’t have a single redeamable trait. This is all me and nothing the guy: my emotional side simply doesn’t want to accept that a person, any person, will have no limits to how far they will harm others for their own personal goals (because that’s entirely outside my own experience), and this even while my intellect has logically conclude that they are indeed like that and even my instincts are ringing alarm bells about “dangerous untrustworthy asshole” from how he moves and talks.
The Neocon movement were all led by Ultra Zionists, and blessed by greatest gift ever of 9/11 for their 7 regimes in 7 years (all Israel resistant nations) war plans. RNC candidates would campaign on Christian (values) supremacy, and DNC on liberal supremacy. GWB campaigned on peace with Iraq. After 9/11, while RNC would loudly chest thump for war calling their DNC opponents weak, DNC always supported the most neocon zionist supremacist candidates with some minority (
DEI) appeal for President, and quiet Neocon Zionism (justified on Apartheid ethnostate having healthcare, education and criminalization of raping Jewish women) liberal supremacism justification for Zionism/Neocon policies. Neocon liberal supremacism is behind Biden’s war on Russia, demonizing Putin’s corruption reforms from previous CIA puppet Yeltsin.Direct warmongering advocacy is very rare in political races, and Trump’s magik skill is “all wars will end because only I can be tough and scary”. So we just vote on what the media tells us are the issues, which tend to minimize Israel/neocon war. The record funded primaries against Democrats by AIPAC were only successful when Israel was not at all spoken out loud. Some other issue/attack was the focus.
Once in office, all money for Israel/neocon war and oligarchy. No money for any pluralism campaign rally cry