Hidden? Sure, let’s go with that.
Hold up - “police” , “misogyny and racism”, and “hidden”? What fucking planet are you on?
ACAB.
The A in ACAB really does mean all
Or “are”, there are 2 A’s
It’s not quite fair, but certainly a good first order approximation. I’ve met a few decent cops along the way. I remember them because they’re few and far between.
To nobody’s surprise.
Yeah, that word “hidden” is doing a lot of heavy lifting
I’m shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked. After all, I remember this case:
40% of police beat their spouses
Please link to sources when throwing around claims like that. I don’t doubt you, but some will & they need to see it for themselves. Plus there’s the issue of how old that information is - anything like that which doesn’t have relatively recent evidence can be too easily dismissed as “outdated notions.”
Aaa AND you immediately got down voted for having a correct but unpopular opinion
I like the statistic but IIRC, you are right in that ita a very misleading statistic from a single dubius study
This isn’t high-school debate class, and we’re not writing essays where we are required to use Harvard referencing for our sources. You have access to search engines, so use those first, and if you still can’t find anything, then consider improving your search skills, and as a last resort, ask for a source. Otherwise, STFU. People who nag about sources generally derail the discussion and don’t add any insight. Instead they add a predictable meta-discussion that obscures the topic.
See also: sealioning.
The burden of proof lies solely on the one making the claim.
As UnderPantsWeevil and phutatorius are being unhelpful arseholes. Here’s what I found.
Firstly, the 40% stat is American so not relevant to this conversation. But as with all internet discussion, there is some condescending arsehole American that thinks everything revolves around their country.
Secondly, there is still a serious domestic abuse problem within UK policing.
The charity The Centre For Women’s Justice submitted a “super-complaint” in 2020 on behalf of 200 domestic abuse victims. 45% of which were police officers or police staff themselves.
The Independent Office for Police Conduct has since done an investigation and review which was published in 2022. Available here:
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/publications/police-perpetrated-domestic-abuse-handling-review
I also found this article by the BBC from 2021 which states more than 800 allegations of domestic abuse have been brought against police officers and staff, with only 43 (about 5%) leading to prosecution.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57432300
The bottom line is ACAB but made up or irrelevant stats don’t help the conversation or change minds. The police are the violence department of the government, the fact many of their officers perpetrate violence isn’t really shocking. What is shocking is how much of the general public support the police despite violence and corruption being their raison d’etre. The government need to get a hold of their dogs and stamp out domestic abuse, but the general public need to get a hold on their perspective of government authority and demand better. Demand a form of crime prevention that doesn’t rely on heavies kicking in doors, hitting people with batons, and being bullies with badges.
This is where I get boring. Much of crime prevention relies on decent living standards and happy communities. People need to realise being “tough on crime” is bullshit peddled by the likes of Tories and Reform who are as criminal and corrupt as they come. To increase happiness and living standards and therefore reduce crime, and therefore reduce domestic abuse, we need to vote for those who would increase living standards for all. We need to vote for those who take a scientific sociological approach as opposed to the “hit them with a big stick approach” which took all of about 5 seconds of thinking to come to.
If you are outraged by the story above and if you are outraged by the prevalence of domestic abuse within policing, then do something about it. Vote for science and reason within government authority. To abolish the police is a very radical position that is unlikely to gain popular support but severely neutering them whilst simultaneously pumping funding into social support, healthcare, and public services can garner public support whilst also providing results. Convince friends and family of these things. Would you rather your taxes go on a social worker who is trying to improve the lives of the downtrodden within their community or a police officer who acts like a hard man all day and then goes home and beats up their wife?
The burden of proof lies solely on the one making the claim.
Citation needed.
Secret BBC filming exposes hidden culture of misogyny and racism inside Met Police
Literally the title post you’re arguing under.
Yes these days they don’t beat up their spouses because cops stay unwedded
The other 60% falsely deny it.
The other 60 are either divorced or widowers.
“hidden culture”
I lived for over a decade in Britain as an immigrant and find it hilarious when Brits online tell me Britain has much less Racism that the rest of Europe.
The entire “anti”-Discrimination legislation over there is about punishing the overtly voicing of discriminatory statements not about stopping discriminatory practices: managing appearences, not “doing the right thing”, mirroring the dominant social practices amongst the middle and upper class English (who control modern day British politics) of favoring heavilly managing appearences instead of behaving morally.
My impression has always been that this approach to discrimination - basically, swipe it under the rug by cracking down of what is said rather than what is done - just make acting in racist and mysogynistic ways be more common rather than less.
What’s Met Police?
London Metropolitan Police, so the general police for most of London (not the City Of London, as that part has its own police force).
I say “general police” because there are specialist forces with police powers and London HQs, such as the Scotland Yard and the Serious Fraud Office.
London, England
