I saw a horrifying estimate of 680,000 murdered by israel in Gaza. Ten times the official figure. This is almost a third of the pre genocide population. It is a holocaust.
That 70k barelly changed since Israel destroyed most of the hospitals in Gaza were the counting was done more than 9 months ago.
You see, that is the number of officially counted and identified dead, so to be counted the actual corpse has to be found (often amongst the rubble of bombed out buildings) in good enough condition to be identified, it has to be brough to a hospital were they do the counting and it has to be actually identified by somebody and against the list of Gaza residents.
For all those things to actually happen to a corpse in a highly urban war zone where entire families are wiped out when 2000lb bombs are dropped on buildings (so, who is going to identify the corpses?) the corpse has to be transported all the way to a hospital within a rubble-strewned city were over 70% of the buildings are destroyed, large parts are occupied by an enemy with a shoot on sight policity and which often targets ambulances, and the aggressor has activelly targetted the very places where the counting of dead is done, all of which by now adds to a very low probability combination, hence why that official number massivelly slowed down its increase around 9 months ago, when Israel destroyed most Gaza hospitals - it was hard enough to have all those events around a corpse happen when Gaza was still mainly intact, barelly occupied and Israel hadn’t been activelly suppressing the counting, and by now is very low probability.
Meanwhile in a letter of a researcher to the Lancet Medical Journal (edit: per the reference from another poster) over 6 months ago in July 20, 2024, they estimated around near 200k dead and this was before the man-made famine.
The IDF themselves have recently admitted having killed over 220k people.
All put together means that 600k estimate is very likely to be way closer to reality than the official 70k and might even be lower than reality.
In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.
The Lancet vol. 404, Issue 10449 p237-238July 20, 2024
Applying that now would suggest around 300k deaths, close to one in seven Palestinians in Gaza killed by the IDF.
No, there’s probably a lot more deaths that weren’t logged as deaths or casualties, because they were unreachable. We won’t have a real count until we can compare populations before and after.
Correct, which is why we should mention — the still horrific — number of deaths and casualties. Then say that the confirmed death count hasn’t change because the hospitals in Gaza have been reduced to rubble, so official counts have barely updated for months.
I saw a horrifying estimate of 680,000 murdered by israel in Gaza. Ten times the official figure. This is almost a third of the pre genocide population. It is a holocaust.
FYI I believe that’s the estimated casualty list.
Confirmed deaths are slightly below 70,000.
Absolutely horrific stuff, still.
That 70k barelly changed since Israel destroyed most of the hospitals in Gaza were the counting was done more than 9 months ago.
You see, that is the number of officially counted and identified dead, so to be counted the actual corpse has to be found (often amongst the rubble of bombed out buildings) in good enough condition to be identified, it has to be brough to a hospital were they do the counting and it has to be actually identified by somebody and against the list of Gaza residents.
For all those things to actually happen to a corpse in a highly urban war zone where entire families are wiped out when 2000lb bombs are dropped on buildings (so, who is going to identify the corpses?) the corpse has to be transported all the way to a hospital within a rubble-strewned city were over 70% of the buildings are destroyed, large parts are occupied by an enemy with a shoot on sight policity and which often targets ambulances, and the aggressor has activelly targetted the very places where the counting of dead is done, all of which by now adds to a very low probability combination, hence why that official number massivelly slowed down its increase around 9 months ago, when Israel destroyed most Gaza hospitals - it was hard enough to have all those events around a corpse happen when Gaza was still mainly intact, barelly occupied and Israel hadn’t been activelly suppressing the counting, and by now is very low probability.
Meanwhile in a letter of a researcher to the Lancet Medical Journal (edit: per the reference from another poster)
over 6 months agoin July 20, 2024, they estimatedaroundnear 200k dead and this was before the man-made famine.The IDF themselves have recently admitted having killed over 220k people.
All put together means that 600k estimate is very likely to be way closer to reality than the official 70k and might even be lower than reality.
That number is a very conservative estimate.
The Lancet vol. 404, Issue 10449 p237-238July 20, 2024
Applying that now would suggest around 300k deaths, close to one in seven Palestinians in Gaza killed by the IDF.
Its difficult to confirm casualties at the bottom of a collapsed apartment blocks in a kill zone.
Yes, but does that not mean every casualty is a death.
No, there’s probably a lot more deaths that weren’t logged as deaths or casualties, because they were unreachable. We won’t have a real count until we can compare populations before and after.
Correct, which is why we should mention — the still horrific — number of deaths and casualties. Then say that the confirmed death count hasn’t change because the hospitals in Gaza have been reduced to rubble, so official counts have barely updated for months.