came here to say just this, just seeing a feed of your childs interactions at another space is fucking weird. Why goto this logging level? Isnt it just good enough of, yeah they napped well today, and they hit there head, it scared them but we got them calmed and an ice pack just in case.
I feel like this is what helicopter parenting but they have to work so this is what they want and they need to calm down, they dont even monitor the indoor air at this level and that has been shown to be a big contributor of poor mental performance then just being at day care with sun and playing with others.
I also think it’s dystopian but it is quite helpful information to know when they were fed and/or napped. If you pick up your child and they are unusually hungry or tired, etc it can be helpful. I doubt the caretakers have time to talk to each parent or they change shifts. Paper forms are popular at less fancy places
Let’s not put the blame only on the parents. Anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds working for a corp would understand that taking credit for work does not mean the work got done.
Assuming the diapers aren’t tracked by barcode and there isn’t an independent inspector validating each operation, I would be MORE wary about my kid being well taken care of at a place that measures and tracks work this way. Especially since the types of management that would think this was a good idea are also the type to not understand how work actually gets done and drives to making the metrics look good at the expense of actually caring for human children.
Yeah thinking that child raising is just a calculation to be figured out is just not the right way. Yes plan the day, but outside of play,eat,nap,reading time. You shouldnt be like did you log the child having a come apart for just being over stimulated?? Or the odd fight that happened over block that neither child wanted to play with?!
Have you ever actually been to a daycare as an adult?
They’re not tracking timestamps by hand, they’re going up to a tablet, tapping baby name and then tapping diaper/wet or started nap.
Having a sense of how often a kid is eating, sleeping and going to the bathroom is really important because those are health indicators and they can’t tell you how they feel. The caretakers are going to take notes one way or another and give them to the parents so they can be aware of any trends.
They are also subject to surprise inspections government inspectors to verify that they’re following the various rules.
This is seriously just the standard type of logging that anyone tasked with caring for another person is going to be doing.
We log this information for a whole host of reasons. Many parents sadly don’t get the chance to speak to an educator in depth to discuss their kids day, tracking medical needs, etc. A lot of parents don’t even look at this, but it’s useful to have if it’s ever needed.
My only complaint, and this extends to all the genuinely important paper work we have to do is that we never get enough time to be off floor to do it.
SOOO if the educator was, I dont know, forced to talk to them at pick up over the things of the day they could be more looped in to what the parents want and maybe better understand the groups role and abilities for their child. No you are right, this is better.
Some parents don’t have time. You knock off work, pick the kids up, and get home and prepare dinner so they can get to bed at a decent time. If you have older kids who need to get to other places, then there’s another constrain. If you need to get to the shops or bank or something you have to cut some tasks out to meet your priorities.
with that person, no, but you can get all the info out to the parent and have an actual conversation with the people that care for your child. Like I said mgmt would be able to grab those children that need watching with those care givers talking to parents. The idea you think this is the better option is my issue. Its just parents who wanna look for others to blame yet they wouldnt spend 5 min a day to talk to the person they leave the child with.
If nothing unusual happened you don’t need a summary. When I was getting picked up my conversation with my dad was “how was school?”, “fine” 99% of the time. If I got sick or injured myself, sure, explain, but that was rare. Same for most of the other kids.
I turned out fine so it clearly was. Not sure how my parents knowing a minute by minute breakdown of every time I wiped my ass would have improved anything.
Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn’t nap, you can adjust what you do after
I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.
A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say “just,” but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.
you would think they would have all these other workers that can cover while you talk to the parent. Also I would assume that mgmt is out and about more to help at drop off and pickup.
but with human interaction and a back and forth conversation. Also it seems that one friend of mine who has this option at the daycare they use in nashville the caregivers do have a one on one with the parent when picking up. So its not just weird, but also redundant.
So the same doesn’t apply for doing logging, which takes less time?
Also, stuff gets forgotten, with a log done right away, stuff isn’t forgotten. You think as you say one person can remember the issues of 30 different kids?
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.
30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that’s for a stupendously overworked person. Like “CPS call” levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.
that is if everything is going to plan and you just have to press the childs button and action, but you also have to get the device at the time to so you should at least add in 5 seconds for that. But again, children are not like this, so the care giver once per hour I am sure is having to type out some dumb thing this human just did, So I would say that 5 min to 10 min is spent on logging and tending the human that fell or freaked out.
so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up
Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?
That’s not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you’re absolutely not getting a full report while they’re panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.
If they are panicking while the child is being picked up and dropped off that kind of environment might not be for them. Also the idea that you think that you interacting with the care giver/parent is a time sink is the reason why I think its dystopian, I would want them to be in full care giver mode at all times and not have to switch to logging corp slave for the few min an hour. I am sure that dumb shit is taxing on them and its just a thing for parents that will require it (god forbid those same parents actually spend any time with those people or look for other things in their childs environment that could help that need this kind of logging. ).
… there’s limits to how many children can be watched by a single caretaker, it’s like 7 in most jurisdictions. So while there’s 30 kids, there’s other caretakers who can watch, or their workload isn’t so bad that 30 seconds to log all kids is gonna be an issue,
You clearly have no experience with this, so why are speaking up?
Not even close to right, fed says it can be 10:1 no more then 16:1 sooo that is still minutes out of each hour. And that is if everything is running smooth and children are anything but smooth. And I am speaking up because again I think its dystopian, I would rather the person in charge of my child TALK TO ME, and we can learn what to expect and want from the relationship then them sitting on phones or tablets logging every last thing my child did.
And I must point out that your math is bad, 7x5 isnt 30. If you need precision in your childcare you should strive for it in yourself.
What federal limit are you referencing? Federally funded Early Head Start classes serving students under 36 months old must have two teachers with no more than 8 children (4:1 ratio). CFR 1302.21(b)(2). Kids in diapers will probably be under 36 months.
Most daycares don’t have that sort of volume of children for it to be an issue, I’d imagine. 30 kids isn’t a daycare, that’s like 3 kindergarten classrooms.
You either haven’t had kids or it’s been a reeeaaaally long time… We don’t support child care in the US, something like 80% of daycares are understaffed.
I just asked a few of my friends with kids in daycare. One said (valley cali) said the daycare had like 300 - 500 kids there. Then another (Tenn, outside of Nash) She said there was 70 there when she first started with them and its more now a year later. I dont think kindergardens have like 10 in them either. to be fair those daycares do have a lot of care givers but 10:1 seem like what they are seeing.
came here to say just this, just seeing a feed of your childs interactions at another space is fucking weird. Why goto this logging level? Isnt it just good enough of, yeah they napped well today, and they hit there head, it scared them but we got them calmed and an ice pack just in case.
I feel like this is what helicopter parenting but they have to work so this is what they want and they need to calm down, they dont even monitor the indoor air at this level and that has been shown to be a big contributor of poor mental performance then just being at day care with sun and playing with others.
I also think it’s dystopian but it is quite helpful information to know when they were fed and/or napped. If you pick up your child and they are unusually hungry or tired, etc it can be helpful. I doubt the caretakers have time to talk to each parent or they change shifts. Paper forms are popular at less fancy places
Let’s not put the blame only on the parents. Anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds working for a corp would understand that taking credit for work does not mean the work got done.
Assuming the diapers aren’t tracked by barcode and there isn’t an independent inspector validating each operation, I would be MORE wary about my kid being well taken care of at a place that measures and tracks work this way. Especially since the types of management that would think this was a good idea are also the type to not understand how work actually gets done and drives to making the metrics look good at the expense of actually caring for human children.
Yeah thinking that child raising is just a calculation to be figured out is just not the right way. Yes plan the day, but outside of play,eat,nap,reading time. You shouldnt be like did you log the child having a come apart for just being over stimulated?? Or the odd fight that happened over block that neither child wanted to play with?!
Have you ever actually been to a daycare as an adult?
They’re not tracking timestamps by hand, they’re going up to a tablet, tapping baby name and then tapping diaper/wet or started nap.
Having a sense of how often a kid is eating, sleeping and going to the bathroom is really important because those are health indicators and they can’t tell you how they feel. The caretakers are going to take notes one way or another and give them to the parents so they can be aware of any trends.
They are also subject to surprise inspections government inspectors to verify that they’re following the various rules.
This is seriously just the standard type of logging that anyone tasked with caring for another person is going to be doing.
We log this information for a whole host of reasons. Many parents sadly don’t get the chance to speak to an educator in depth to discuss their kids day, tracking medical needs, etc. A lot of parents don’t even look at this, but it’s useful to have if it’s ever needed.
My only complaint, and this extends to all the genuinely important paper work we have to do is that we never get enough time to be off floor to do it.
SOOO if the educator was, I dont know, forced to talk to them at pick up over the things of the day they could be more looped in to what the parents want and maybe better understand the groups role and abilities for their child. No you are right, this is better.
Lots of parents don’t care.
thats so fucked.
Some parents don’t have time. You knock off work, pick the kids up, and get home and prepare dinner so they can get to bed at a decent time. If you have older kids who need to get to other places, then there’s another constrain. If you need to get to the shops or bank or something you have to cut some tasks out to meet your priorities.
Thats the actually fucked part
yeah cutting out talking to the caregivers of my child is the first thing I would cut.
And just to be clear, you believe that this would take less time away from the other children?
with that person, no, but you can get all the info out to the parent and have an actual conversation with the people that care for your child. Like I said mgmt would be able to grab those children that need watching with those care givers talking to parents. The idea you think this is the better option is my issue. Its just parents who wanna look for others to blame yet they wouldnt spend 5 min a day to talk to the person they leave the child with.
Management can not just slot in to replace an educator.
Especially not when you have 6 rooms of adults picking their kids up after finishing work at 5.
The simple matter of fact is there is not enough time to talk to ~20 families each evening and give a summary of their kids day.
If nothing unusual happened you don’t need a summary. When I was getting picked up my conversation with my dad was “how was school?”, “fine” 99% of the time. If I got sick or injured myself, sure, explain, but that was rare. Same for most of the other kids.
No, that’s not sufficient. I’m sorry you were let down by the educational standards at the time.
I turned out fine so it clearly was. Not sure how my parents knowing a minute by minute breakdown of every time I wiped my ass would have improved anything.
I would think that in itself is a problem. mgmt should be able to and understand the caregivers.
Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn’t nap, you can adjust what you do after
Have you had kids? Did you attend any of their doctor appointments?
Knowing how often their diaper is changed is medical information the doctors will ask.
yeah but you are pulling their attention for that, logging that is time they are not dealing with children.
They’re spending that time doing diaper changes. They’re not attending to the other kids regardless.
I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.
A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say “just,” but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.
It’s like you haven’t read a single reply
We’re just talking about doing a diaper change. I don’t know how you can call that “stacking a caregiver hard”.
…do you think they aren’t dealing with other children during pickups?
you would think they would have all these other workers that can cover while you talk to the parent. Also I would assume that mgmt is out and about more to help at drop off and pickup.
So, literally the exact same scenario as the logging, except it takes 10-100x as long?
but with human interaction and a back and forth conversation. Also it seems that one friend of mine who has this option at the daycare they use in nashville the caregivers do have a one on one with the parent when picking up. So its not just weird, but also redundant.
So the same doesn’t apply for doing logging, which takes less time?
Also, stuff gets forgotten, with a log done right away, stuff isn’t forgotten. You think as you say one person can remember the issues of 30 different kids?
How long do you think it takes to log? That would take maybe 5 seconds max unless the ui is horrendous.
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.
30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that’s for a stupendously overworked person. Like “CPS call” levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.
that is if everything is going to plan and you just have to press the childs button and action, but you also have to get the device at the time to so you should at least add in 5 seconds for that. But again, children are not like this, so the care giver once per hour I am sure is having to type out some dumb thing this human just did, So I would say that 5 min to 10 min is spent on logging and tending the human that fell or freaked out.
Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?
That’s not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you’re absolutely not getting a full report while they’re panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.
If they are panicking while the child is being picked up and dropped off that kind of environment might not be for them. Also the idea that you think that you interacting with the care giver/parent is a time sink is the reason why I think its dystopian, I would want them to be in full care giver mode at all times and not have to switch to logging corp slave for the few min an hour. I am sure that dumb shit is taxing on them and its just a thing for parents that will require it (god forbid those same parents actually spend any time with those people or look for other things in their childs environment that could help that need this kind of logging. ).
Yeah, I hate to break this to you, but we are living through a dystopia. Nobody can afford childcare and all childcare is understaffed
… there’s limits to how many children can be watched by a single caretaker, it’s like 7 in most jurisdictions. So while there’s 30 kids, there’s other caretakers who can watch, or their workload isn’t so bad that 30 seconds to log all kids is gonna be an issue,
You clearly have no experience with this, so why are speaking up?
Not even close to right, fed says it can be 10:1 no more then 16:1 sooo that is still minutes out of each hour. And that is if everything is running smooth and children are anything but smooth. And I am speaking up because again I think its dystopian, I would rather the person in charge of my child TALK TO ME, and we can learn what to expect and want from the relationship then them sitting on phones or tablets logging every last thing my child did. And I must point out that your math is bad, 7x5 isnt 30. If you need precision in your childcare you should strive for it in yourself.
So you want the caretaker to spend 5-10 minutes chatting to you instead of spending a few seconds logging?
Who’s watching the other kids while the caretaker has all their attention on you during pickup?
Your suggestion takes more time and leaves less time to spend are taking other kids.
What federal limit are you referencing? Federally funded Early Head Start classes serving students under 36 months old must have two teachers with no more than 8 children (4:1 ratio). CFR 1302.21(b)(2). Kids in diapers will probably be under 36 months.
Many states have their own requirements.
that is the classes one, these are caregivers not teachers. I was referring to https://childcare.gov/consumer-education/regulated-child-care/supervision-ratios-and-group-sizes
Most daycares don’t have that sort of volume of children for it to be an issue, I’d imagine. 30 kids isn’t a daycare, that’s like 3 kindergarten classrooms.
You either haven’t had kids or it’s been a reeeaaaally long time… We don’t support child care in the US, something like 80% of daycares are understaffed.
I just asked a few of my friends with kids in daycare. One said (valley cali) said the daycare had like 300 - 500 kids there. Then another (Tenn, outside of Nash) She said there was 70 there when she first started with them and its more now a year later. I dont think kindergardens have like 10 in them either. to be fair those daycares do have a lot of care givers but 10:1 seem like what they are seeing.
If that daycare has 50 employees, what’s the issue? The numbers don’t matter, it’s the amount of people under one caretaker that’s the issue.