No, I do not care about “traditional family values”, I care about the commodification of bodily autonomy. “Traditional family values” as this author alludes to have never protected those, especially not for women and girls. This just happens to be the first place I heard about this, since most left publications have chosen to abdicate their role in reporting on such things (such as the UN deciding that we need laws to protect pimping + actively encourage prostitution + refer to child sex slaves as “sexual child labor” or whatever (I do not need to elaborate on what needs to be done about such people, presumably?)).

The main argument being made here is “porn make taxes and GDP go up” which you should be familiar with by now. Generally these kinds of laws are used to create legal protection for pimping.

This is not auspicious news

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    I hate it when I have “some consent issues”. Like saying coal mining in apartheid South Africa had “some respiratory issues” or “some disaster issues” Yes, I am saying pornography is not magically exempt from the colonial structure of the sex trade because a camera provides a legal pretext.

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      Like saying coal mining in apartheid South Africa had “some respiratory issues” or “some disaster issues”

      Is that an accurate comparison to the porn industry now? Because consent is much more important (but not important enough!) in the current porn industry, since sex workers have fought for their rights. Yes, there are absolutely still abusers in the porn industry, but my understanding is that things have gotten better for porn actors.

      Yes, I am saying pornography is not magically exempt from the colonial structure of the sex trade because a camera provides a legal pretext.

      Neither am I. But that doesn’t mean we should legally ban pornography. Just because pornography currently is a part of the colonial structure of the sex trade does not mean that it has to be that way.

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        Yes it is accurate, how can you ask that in the context of Ukraine, a country where too many refugee women have been pushed into the legal sex trade or pornography in western countries out of desperation? One model which is palatable even to libs is decriminalizing the lower levels of the sex trade and providing people real opportunities in life, infrastructure, subsidized education, while deconstructing the industry itself. That is why I framed the UN’s inclusion of sex trade managers in the category of sex worker as a threat

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          Yes it is accurate, how can you ask that in the context of Ukraine, a country where too many refugee women have been pushed into the legal sex trade or pornography in western countries out of desperation?

          Do you have a source for that? Not that I don’t believe you because I do, but I’d actually like to educate myself about their situation.

          Still, just because there are victims being pushed into the legal sex trade does not mean that everyone or even a majority are being pushed into it (any more than all workers are pushed into wage slavery). Obviously no one should be pushed into it.

          One model which is palatable even to libs is decriminalizing the lower levels of the sex trade and providing people real opportunities in life, infrastructure, subsidized education, while deconstructing the industry itself.

          That should be a red flag! Of course it’s palatable to liberals! It’s a milder form of the same paternalism that views the State as a legitimate arbiter of the sexual practices that consenting adults are allowed to enter into. We can, should, and must provide real opportunities and infrastructure and subsidized education to sex workers as well as everyone else. We can do that without harassing sex workers or people who want to go to them.

          Like do we really want to trust sexual morality to the States and the capitalists that national governments serve? I say “HELL NO!” They are the very last people on the face of this godforsaken planet who I want to consult about sexual morality.

          That is why I framed the UN’s inclusion of sex trade managers in the category of sex worker as a threat

          Case in point. That’s fucked.