For me it isn’t really worth thinking about unfalsifiable things? If you’re looking for guidance, community, and inclusion, go join a socialist org or a queer community center?

And that isn’t democratic because?

Also lol Wikipedia

Read Rosa Luxemburg on the limitations of unions, you’ll have a better idea on why China prefers their union system.

How do they not meet the standard?

They have a democratic state which owns most of the MoP.

If you don’t think China is democratic, what would they have to do in order to meet the definition?

A democratic state where the proletariat are in control owning the MoP fundamentally isn’t capitalist, “state capitalist” or otherwise. Capitalism requires specific social relations that aren’t met within socialized ownership.

Please read “Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism” and then explain what you mean.

There was some integration (as second class citizens) and some displacement.

Yes they straight up have displaced Jewish Palestinians.

No, settler colonialism

No country is an angel though, at the same time Britain was intentionally starving Indians and the US had Japanese American citizens (including children) in concentration camps

How has China been picking up the slack? Who have they couped or invaded? Who have they sanctioned?

Please enlighten me what the substantive difference between ‘industrial scale’ and ‘systematic and widespread’ is.

Literally the difference between the holocaust and a pogrom.

Similarly, please point out to me what your exact issue is with the report I linked.

A lack of institutional credibility and an unwillingness to read a 20 page report that references things that have already been debunked- for example, i took a vertical slice to dig into, looking in detail about their claims of abducted children that do not align with the reality of later western-biased reporting on the issue.

Also, citation needed that Zenz is a fascist. I found much criticism of him, but no credible allegation that he is a fascist.

He describes himself as a “Christian Nationalist” and “on a God given mission to destroy China” and his institute used to be a cia front (arguably still is, although it has now been obscured through another front organization) If he isn’t a fascist, he is close enough to the picture that he still isn’t credible.

Continue, you only have several more claims that aren’t cited. For example, the use of language “industrial scale” for torture.

Also please keep in mind that this isn’t a high standard of evidence, as UN reports often are influenced- such as the significant citations of the German fascist Adrien Zenz in some of their reporting on China.

And the Olympic gold for comically missing the point by getting strangely defensive goes to…

I’ve found no UN reports detailing activities such as those on an industrial scale. Please cite the UN reports.

“Save lives” are you dense? Russia is kidnapping, torturing, killing and deporting Ukrainians in the occupied regions on an industrial scale.

Serious citations needed. Please do not spread atrocity propaganda in this comm.

Were you around when the Fort Detrick conspiracy was going around? Obviously not true but has more evidence than the Wuhan shit so was fun to use to push back against that.

Lol someone got to it before I could.

Crazy how history doesn’t agree with your gotcha.

Telling me that I’m not a Socialist because I’m not a registered member of a Socialist organization doesn’t encourage me to join any organization. It encourages me to dump you and find an actual mutual ally.

“Saying I’m only sympathetic to abolition if I’m not doing abolitionist work doesn’t make me want to do abolitionist work”

Okay what will then, do you want a headpat or a handjob or what?

The dumped metaphor is great because in this metaphor you weren’t dating to begin with. You were just admiring.

But seriously if someone questioning your commitment when you aren’t committed makes you react with fleeing somewhere else that is on you.

Stop saying stupid exclusionary things about your left-wing allies if you want to actually have a movement capable of change.

If you’re not in the movement you are not a socialist. The movement is a real, organized thing, not just vibes.