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    8 hours ago

    You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into

    everyone except Russia gains from it. China, North Korea, and Iran get to have Russia owe them a lot

    Russia loses second most, with not much to win. 30% more wheat production is not a reason for war.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wheat_production

    Of course, Ukraine loses most. Indepted, lost territory and huge amount of death.

    China owes Russia a lot because China is the ultimate objective. Russia could fold, have new elections and join Nato.

    North Korea wins big, mostly for Russia stopping participation in sanctions. An advantage for Russia.

    ‘Europe’, or rather Germany loses third most because all profits from industrial products and benefits from cheap energy moves to China. Russia wasn’t threatening, an economic union suggested by Putin was possible.

    US wins the most, by far. The US feels threatened by the Eurasian Union even though the EU is deeply linked with the US. Many major advisers argued against Nato expansion and they still did it. What’s their offer to Germany so that Germany accepted the Nato and EU expansion to Ukraine?

    We can’t look at the past with the understanding we have now and think they knew this would happen though. They made it clear they expected an easy victory.

    They told their soldiers about the easy victory.

    Do you think they didn’t know about the Ukraine fortifications built since 2014? Have you seen their faces when they announced the ‘operation’? They had to take Grozny. Why should Kyiv fall in 3 days?

    Have you looked at the book? This conflict is in the making for a long time. Putin tried to win over Germany with cheap gas to become part of the West and avoid the conflict but Merkel betrayed him and just took the gas without changing the original goals.