• Bouzou@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    20
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    20 hours ago

    I have no idea what book series you read (or if you’ve read it at all) but you are…very off on this take.

    Don’t get me wrong, JK Rowling is a total piece of shit, but the books themselves are distinctly anti classism, “blood purity,” slavery, misogyny, and a whole host of other things you listed.

    Are they without any flaw? Certainly not. Is it okay if people boycott the media because of Rowling’s ongoing transphobia? Absolutely. But most of what you’ve listed about the book series is blatantly untrue…

    • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      9 hours ago

      Doesn’t HP end up a literal magic cop at the end of the series? The whole caste system is also upheld throughout, at no point is revealing the wizarding world to muggles even considered an option despite the fact that little kids are dying from cancer all over Britain/the world that could be magically healed in an afternoon. The whole SPEW thing is just profoundly racist and always has been. “Cho Chang” – nuff said. The whole point of Hogwarts is that it’s a boarding school, which proudly inherits all its real-world British characteristics which are intrinsically linked to the more problematic parts of the British class system.

      Rowling has always been a bigot and I will die on this hill. Any progressive messaging that people read into harry potter is at best performative (for instance yes she explicitly denounces “blood purity” pretty early on, but that’s super performative considering her entire worldbuilding is built on the premise that some people are just inherently magical and others are inherently not invited to the party. “Blood purity contests” are only bad when wizards to it to other wizards.).

      I don’t think she’s a good enough writer to have done most of the racist/classist/misogynist messaging intentionally, but nonetheless her reactionary poorly thought-out world view transpires through every bit of her writing.

      EDIT: Trying to expand on my own thoughts here. I’ve always despised HP as a franchise so to try to be fair to HP let’s contrast and compare with the piece of shit author who did make a book I like, Ender’s Game. I pirated it a couple years back, and I won’t pretend it’s not obvious at times that he’s a homophobe and a religious nutcase with some obvious cognitive dissonance with some of his (at least at the time) progressive views. I guess the good thing about that particular IP is that there’s no new stuff coming out besides one awful movie, so everyone can agree Orson Scott Card can get fucked and move on with their lives. But it’s important to acknowledge that his religious zealousness did impact his writing and to take a step back even if we decide to still appreciate his work.
      The problem is that HP fans are in a much tougher situation because the writing just isn’t good so if you drop the flimsy pretense that 2000s Rowling was a champion of liberal ideals, then you really don’t have much left besides a profoundly flawed worldbuilding with shitty characters who only work to uphold the wizarding status quo. Yeah I’d get pretty mad too if I had spend my teenage years obsessing over that heap of trash.

    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      13 hours ago

      I agree she is anti classism, and anti “blood purity,” but there is no redemption for the enslaved elves. Hermione written as irritating and the strong women are housewives and spinsters.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        13 hours ago

        She is fine with different people moving to her country as long as they assimilate, so muggleborns and half-bloods can be wizzies too as long as they wear robes and curse in Merlin’s name. She hates multiculturalism, which is why the elves stay enslaved. They’re irreconcilably different. Sort of like transfolk. We’re different, in a way that can’t just be assimilated away.

        Or… something like that. Her politics are kind of incoherent.

        • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          12 hours ago

          Her writing shows that her thinking is not logical. She was pro-remain usually means pro multicultural, but not in her case.

          I know no details about the abuse she suffered, but she certainly distrusts men. I suspect she views all trans people as men in wigs trying to take advantage of women.

          She doesn’t back down (see Stephen Fry “pocketed it” story) so every faux pas gets double downed upon and becomes a belief, no matter how illogical.

          But all this comes after the books. I see the pro slavery, anti intellectualism and distinct lack of strong females in the books, but no anti trans or racism. She clumsily including non white characters which seems like they are editor suggested afterthought rather than a negative bias.

            • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              12 hours ago

              In the book goblins are “A short and stocky humanoid with black eyes, a domed head and long fingers.” but the movies add hooked noses and a Star of David mosaic on the bank floor.

              She had a lot of power in the movie (all UK cast, filmed in UK) so she could have vetoed the depiction if she wanted.

    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      20 hours ago

      I think people like to take all the poorly written parts of HP and conflate them with bigotry. Its possible, but jk Rowling is just a shitty writer who does not plan ahead at all. I still think fans wrote the last three books via posting theories on HP forums.

      • ohulancutash@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        18 hours ago

        She had a spreadsheet outlining the plot and character beats for the last books by the time the first film was made.

        She’s just not a great writer.

        • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          13 hours ago

          I’d have to see the spreadsheet before I’d give her any credit for having one. The story gets w9rse and worse as it goes, I can’t imagine she planned that. The ending is absurd and I haven’t heard anyone defend it successfully.

        • Rodneyck@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          18 hours ago

          That is called a timeline, which most great authors do. It is character and story path development 101.

      • DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        18 hours ago

        I will definitely concede that her writing is amateurish and poorly conceived at best, and it’s entirely possible some of these issues are due to that. However since all of it came out of her brain, and these themes are how she thinks about the world, it might be trickier than that to separate the two so neatly.

    • Rodneyck@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      18 hours ago

      Agree with you. You could take most fantasy stories ever written and apply the same “injustices” wrongly so. I call that reaching.