Yes, systemd is a very good and very well written piece of software while GNOME is a pile questionable decisions that uses web tech to create themes and takes about half a second to load up any window. Also the same pile where you’ve to use 3 different network management UIs to get stuff done. And… where you can’t have desktop icons because they were too hard to get done properly OR where you can’t have a “disable animations” toggle on the settings to actually disable ALL animations instead of just some stuff while leaving others arounds.
Sure, can they consider stopping wasting money / time actually develop useful stuff? For a DE that got €1M from the Sovereign Tech Fund they’re not showing results.
Okay fine, desktop icons can be a design decision, however a “disable animations” toggle on the settings that doesn’t disable ALL animations… that’s just poorly made software, not something you may have an opinion on.
Sure, can they consider stopping wasting money / time actually develop useful stuff? For a DE that got €1M from the Sovereign Tech Fund they’re not showing results.
Furthermore, GNOME’s ways lends itself a lot better to the secure by default/design paradigm(s) as illustrated by this table from secureblue.
however a “disable animations” toggle on the settings that doesn’t disable ALL animations…
Do you mean the one that used to be in accessibility? Though, FWIW, I couldn’t even find it this time 😅. Instead, consider to evoke the following command:
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface enable-animations false
I’ll grant you that it might feel archaic for some to do this through a terminal. Though, this setting is also accessible through Dconf Editor. Regardless, at least it works as desired.
Yeah that stuff I myself got rid of back in the Gnome 1 days when you could still customize all that. I appreciate that the Gnome devs came to the same conclusions as me.
Desktop icons are usually hidden behind windows. It makes more sense to put launch icons in front of everything else, like Gnome does when you hit the Win/Super key.
Minimize is unnecessary when you have workspaces and efficient window switching methods. Same for the task bar.
A long time ago, when I was young, I played around with themes and shit, when that was still supported. There were always problems. Theming any complex set of applications yourself is basically impossible without causing issues, and themes made by others also exhibited this problem. You need a concerted long-term effort, plus buy-in from basically all app development teams, to make a comprehensive theme. Note how Microsoft/Apple don’t want to support theming either.
Systray was always some excuse for apps to just keep running in the background while not taking up taskbar space. Steam can go fuck itself, just please exit when I ask you to, and don’t treat the close button as “minimize”. If I wanted Steam running in the background I would just put it on another workspace.
I’m not sure what you mean. Lack of desktop icons is only valuable to people who want that (I don’t, and I remove them on my Plasma systems).
Gnome has a minimize button, and you need only turn it on in Tweaks > Windows.
You can change themes in Tweaks > Appearance, and you can install themes by script or by manually dropping the files where they need to go (something you sometimes have to do on Plasma, too).
You can further adjust themes with extensions or scripts. Unless you change themes often, quick theme swapping is not a feature everyone needs or wants. How often are people doing this IRL?
I can right click all my menu and dash/dock icons and get an app-specific context menu, so I’m not sure what you mean with this gripe.
Systray is one of the things I don’t like about Plasma, and I wish they’d find a different solution. It’s bad enough on Windows.
I run both DEs on different systems, and they’re both good and bad at different things, but they both have comparable feature sets. Their workflows are different, yet you can do virtually all the same things in each.
I think they might be referring to icons next to menu items in the right click menu.
I think those icons can be handy sometimes, but I find them to be massively overused in KDE especially, to the point that it feels visually overwhelming sometimes. Having zero icons at all in GNOME might be the other extreme, but I appreciate how clean it looks.
Blender using icons strategically to visually group related items is probably the best of both worlds.
Yes, systemd is a very good and very well written piece of software while GNOME is a pile questionable decisions that uses web tech to create themes and takes about half a second to load up any window. Also the same pile where you’ve to use 3 different network management UIs to get stuff done. And… where you can’t have desktop icons because they were too hard to get done properly OR where you can’t have a “disable animations” toggle on the settings to actually disable ALL animations instead of just some stuff while leaving others arounds.
Please consider to stop hating on GNOME or its design choices the very moment it’s brought up.
Sure, can they consider stopping wasting money / time actually develop useful stuff? For a DE that got €1M from the Sovereign Tech Fund they’re not showing results.
Okay fine, desktop icons can be a design decision, however a “disable animations” toggle on the settings that doesn’t disable ALL animations… that’s just poorly made software, not something you may have an opinion on.
It is a fact that GNOME is the only other DE (besides KDE Plasma) that has modern features. So, frankly, I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Furthermore, GNOME’s ways lends itself a lot better to the secure by default/design paradigm(s) as illustrated by this table from secureblue.
Do you mean the one that used to be in accessibility? Though, FWIW, I couldn’t even find it this time 😅. Instead, consider to evoke the following command:
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface enable-animations falseI’ll grant you that it might feel archaic for some to do this through a terminal. Though, this setting is also accessible through Dconf Editor. Regardless, at least it works as desired.
Even that command wont really disable ALL animations.
GNOME - misses basic functionality every other DE provides, still uses the most resources even before you add extensions
Functionality like what?
like the desktop icons, the minimize button, the ability to adjust fonts, change themes, right click menu icons, systray…
Yeah that stuff I myself got rid of back in the Gnome 1 days when you could still customize all that. I appreciate that the Gnome devs came to the same conclusions as me.
I run both DEs on different systems, and they’re both good and bad at different things, but they both have comparable feature sets. Their workflows are different, yet you can do virtually all the same things in each.
Minimizing is a tweak??
I’ll stick to xfce.
No, the minimize button is, but enjoy Xfce
I think they might be referring to icons next to menu items in the right click menu.
I think those icons can be handy sometimes, but I find them to be massively overused in KDE especially, to the point that it feels visually overwhelming sometimes. Having zero icons at all in GNOME might be the other extreme, but I appreciate how clean it looks.
Blender using icons strategically to visually group related items is probably the best of both worlds.
Oh, that makes more sense. I appreciate the clarity!