How is someone that gets out of breath eating a donut going to protect and serve anyone?
Cops serve capital, not us.
NYPD is an army with offices around the world and pays as much as $600,000/year to individuals for pension.
They are not a police force; they are a Mafia.
Most small town.police forces are the same.
Their job is not to stop crime; it is to serve the wealthy and crush their opponents.
This is why every American should be armed at all times and ready to defend each other immediately.
Chicago is the same. The CPD union is basically a shadow government.
You misunderstand. Cops in the US have no legal obligation to protect OR serve anyone. Check out the NY subway guy that was attacked with a knife while cops watched from 10 feet away behind bulletproof glass. They literally hid in the conductor booth and watched this guy get stabbed in the fucking face repeatedly.
Not only did the guy survive, he actually overpowered and subdued the attacker. Guy brought a suit against the NYPD for failing to protect him when their motto at the time was literally “Protect and serve”. Long story short, the end result is that he got a real live judge to say out loud that police have no actual duty to protect you when it could endanger themselves. Coupled with your observation on the obesity of American cops, it could be argued that walking down the street to issue a ticket could be lethal for the cop in question and therefore they have no obligation to do it, they simply choose to do it out of spite.
Many departments don’t require physical tests once hired.
Most of the work cops do is domestic disturbance calls and traffic stops. There’s no reason to be physically fit for either of those jobs. Also, most people see the day shift and in nicer neighborhoods; again there’s really no need for physicality. Getting on day shift and good area means you’ve been on the police a while and “earned it” (or you have some clout), so usually olderish cops.
The young jacked mfers usually are on the night shift and in rougher neighborhoods.
Additionally, a bullet resistant vest and all the gear will make you look bigger/fatter than you really are.
So it’s kind of a combo of all that.
Also, ACAB
Plus they’re not going to run you down, they’re going to taser you in the back and watch you face plant into the asphalt. They don’t give a fuck. They’re going to dog pile and twist your arm until you “comply”, no need to communicate more than that. Comply or die. Bullet will outrun you every time. Fuck cops.
And when they show up on a domestic dispute, they’ll take the abusers side so that they don’t have to risk any form of conflict. The battered spouse isn’t going to fight you if you try to arrest them! (2 and half years now - no answers or report on why “your husband wants to move in a prostitute - time for you to leave” happened)
How is someone that gets out of breath eating a donut going to protect and serve anyone?
They don’t serve anyone
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What? They definitely serve rich people. Why do you think they were created?
Or protect. They might protect those donuts tho.
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Neither protecting or serving are actual job requirements.
The “no duty to protect” doctrine. Our news doesn’t even have to be factual.
I think NPR or PBS can’t lie on the news or over the air public local news. The over the air news usually will have a PSA opinion piece and it’s usually by the owners and mostly sways right. Cable news is free for all and one sided.
This is a common misconception in the U.S., it’s not even the car’s job… that crappy sticker has the shittiest union.
That sticker was exclusive to the LAPD, but it kept turning up in films made in Hollywood set elsewhere, so other regions adopted it eventually too.
Man, that kind of figures… I bet it was a PR campaign that they paid for. So in a way we all got value out of that lie… nope. No satisfying conclusion to be found here 😒
I think once you pass the physical strength/endurance exam to become a cop, you don’t have to take any to remain one. I definitely think that should change, though. Make them pass once a year to retain their job.
Fuck the physical part, they should take yearly psychological exams and have continuous education on conflict resolution.
They don’t even have to pass those if they don’t want to. In portions of America it is just: win an election, appoint your friends and lackies.
A lot of departments use the admission tests to screen out candidates who might be overqualified: they specifically won’t want the best. An overwight blob is preferable to an in shape individual that might think before acting.
There are definitely agencies that do exactly what you described. The one I’m most familiar with has a sliding scale based on age and they are required to pass annually.
Why are they also so clearly low iq, and hyper violent?
and why are they paid so well?Paid to keep the poor in place between wars.
Police forces deliberately filter out intelligent people because A) the job is mostly really boring, and smart people don’t like boring jobs, and 2) Smart people won’t put up with the open racism, corruption, and general bullshit of cops.
Ever notice on the news, that the local police chief always sounds like a swaggering, arrogant dumbass? It’s because he was promoted from a professional gene pool that was compromised from the start. He’s was just the biggest arrogant swaggering dumbass out of big pool of arrogant swaggering dumbasses.
That’s by design.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
to protect and serve is not their job.
“protect and serve” is copaganda, since SCOTUS ruled on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia in late 1981. “Fun” animated video to describe same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfUI_hETy0
Lookup Philip Brailsford. History of brutality, executed a pest control worker for doing his job with his own personal AR-15 engraved with “you’re fucked” on the side, there is full video evidence of the man crying and begging for his life on his knees with his hands on his head, Brailsford was rewarded for it with a full pension and an early retirement.
And this:
https://reason.com/2014/10/22/man-gets-stabbed-on-subway-guess-how-hel/Also used successfully as a precedent when the cowards waited in the hall while a shooter was on a rampage in a school a few years ago.
I think the subway stabbing is the main focus of the Cracked video I linked. But, maybe it’s a different subway stabbing.
It is, didn’t have time for a video.
Glad so many know these days what they are and do
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To protect and serve the rich
Cops with guns don’t have to run… 🤷♂️
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You better run, better run outrun my gunWhy are people upvoting you for supporting school shooters?
It’s a song lyric and an indictment of America for our glorification of gun culture.
I know. Its not an indictment. Read the lyrics. And listen to the upbeat.
Ah, so you know more about the true meaning of the song than the writer himself.
Cities in pretty much the entire country are running with an understaffed police force. They’ll take what they can get. I’m 100% pro Union, but another problem is that police unions help protect unfit (literally and figuratively) police from being forced to try harder by abusing protected status health claims. I’ve seen in both police and military, they are handed paperwork if they are not meeting fitness expectations, but nothing ever comes of it.
Police unions are the only bad union.
All labor unions are good. Police unions are not.
This is because police unions are not labor unions, since police are not labor but rather the enforcers for the owner class.
They’re illegal in many other countries
Yes, unions are too democratic, too humane. Police should have only one goal – to protect the government from peons. You can’t risk the police having any resemblance to humans. This might lead to failure in the main goal achievement.
Cops aren’t exploited workers, they are armed agents of the state. They are not your friends, allies, etc. And whether or not they are human is entirely debatable. I’ve never seen any evidence to suggest it.
Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying.
They have representation in other ways. For instance in Britain, where it is illegal for police to unionise, there is instead a government-funded Police Federation, which independently advocates for police working conditions and supplies advice and representation for police in disciplinary affairs. The main difference from a union is that it is free to members and that police are not allowed to go on strike. This removes a lot of the worst abuses of power.
So bad in fact, they’ve often made me wonder if any union is worth it if that’s the risk of what they could become.
With that mindset, why bother living or leaving the bed? Imagine the worst day you could have, why risk it?
Sure, take it 100% literally. Don’t relate to the thought process at all.
You all can’t be serious in that you haven’t thought the same thing. I didn’t say it 100% makes all unions bad I just shared a thought I occasionally have because of how bad the police union is in America.
But yeah let’s fight with each other about it instead of eating the rich, good plan.
🙄
Your though process is wrong. You need to backpedal it. One bad apple doesn’t mean we should burn the orchard. And you can perverse anything good into an abomination.
eat the rich
How you want to do that without unions? Dude, saying out loud
[I wonder] if any union is worth it if that’s the risk of what they could become.
Is not helping anyone.
Take an L and do better.
Again, you’re either not understanding what I’m actually saying or taking it literally on purpose to troll me. Either way, I’m not gonna waste my time 😘 👋
“They’ll take what they can get.” Except for the smart ones. https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
…well shit. Too smart to be an officer is a thing.
Cities in pretty much the entire country are running with an understaffed police force.
Counterpoint: Americans are already overpoliced and the “understaffing” is only relative to the authoritarians’ desire to make us even more so.
Makes sense. Maybe they wouldn’t be understaffed if they were utilized in places that actually mattered to people
understaffed my asshole
You’re really setting yourself up here
I…i didnt realize this needed staffing…
get to work
I live in Pittsburgh and there are literally no cops on duty from like 3-5 AM or something. We haven’t had a police chief in years, and I never see cops unless there’s a violent crime or a car accident or overdose. You can kinda do whatever you want in terms of traffic laws. I’ve never even heard of someone getting a traffic ticket in the city, and most times if you’re actually goin the speed limit you’re a hazard that isn’t following the flow of traffic. Completely different story in the suburbs outside the city.
It kinda rules not gonna lie.
Additionally, cities that want physically fit officers have unions that demand that they are paid to work out. Cities don’t want to pay for that.
So, usually the fitness requirements are only used when applying but aren’t used when you are in the force.
cities that want physically fit officers have unions that demand that they are paid to work out
Seems fairly reasonable to me
France doesn’t let the police unionize, it’s the only group in the country explicitly and expressly forbade from unionizing. Police should never be allowed to unionize
The only group that can’t unionize is the military, there’s plenty of police unions in France.
And they unionize a lot.
And they smell like far right a lot
Guns.
i have been to the US several times. Have you ever tried to eat healthily?
you have to make your own food it’s the only way
Or be wealthy
and hire someone to cook your food or what
Its pretty easy. There’s fruits and vegetables all over that country lol
Reminds me of my favorite Simpson’s quote.
Marge (to Bart): “Your father wanted to be a police officer but they said he was too heavy.”
Homer: “No the army said I was too heavy, the police said I was too dumb.”
the police said I was too dumb.”
Well that sure didn’t age well!
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
Considering how dumb the police chief is on that show, I think it was an intentional joke
If he’s dumber than the police chief, then he’d be more qualified.
The point is that the police prefer dumb workers. They won’t hire you if you score too high on am IQ test
I understood their point. My point is that it was a one line throwaway gag on The Simpsons. Not necessarily a commentary on real world police hiring practices so much as a joke about both the police in that show and Homer.
Heard from a local cop that it had something to do with the union. If the department wants to implement a standard the union would require something or other. Something about an incentive? I didn’t get the whole picture obviously. I know police need unions in case somebody sues them but does seem kind of dumb that it’s so difficult to enforce a physical standard.
Now I dont work in the law enforcement industry but I do work in an industry that has supposed fitness requirements although they arent enforced.
For us, the union told them “If they have to maintain a weight of X to remain employed. You have to pay them to hit the gym on company time or pay their gym fees and an allowance.” So the company filed that away under “fuck that”. Now if you get too fat for the equipment they just move you to a different duty, often one with a shitload of walking around.
It’s a fair enough requirement from the union
