• Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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    2 years ago

    That’s what staggers you? Not that both of our presidential candidates were unwilling to condemn a genocide?

    And I voted for Harris and don’t know a single person who didn’t. But damn near everyone I know was sickened by Biden’s complicity in the genocide. It was literally the main issue causing Democratic antipathy among my friends, from millennials to boomers (including multiple outspoken Jews). Not because they were on message boards consuming propaganda or because I have an especially radical social network, because it’s fucking genocide and we could see it being reported in real time.

    Whether the empathy party should oppose genocide by a rightwing ethnostate should not have been a confusing choice. That people find the idea of some unidentified voted refusing to vote for more of that, like it’s no big deal and anyone who did was somehow not being mature, is just fucking insane. What on earth happened to you that this isn’t an obvious and very relatable result. I fucking hated voting for Harris. And all this stupid vitriol should be pointed at her and Biden for not being able to do the very simple task of saying what we were all witnessing was abhorrent and our role in it was wrong. That should have been the default Democratic stance on genocide and war crimes. They’re the ones who made a truly incomprehensible choice to put devotion to Israel ahead of American democracy.

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        That you’re somehow still focused on “Democracy” (“proud” no less) rather than “genocide” is mind-boggling. You can’t pretend to be self-righteous about American invasions and then just say “whoops, a little genocide, not really important in the grand scheme of things though”.

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            I’m not lecturing the world. I’m lecturing you. You have shitty morality.

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                Saying we’re complicit and should try everything we can to stop it is the whole fucking point. Amazing that you came around to that without ever getting it.

                I’m not unclear about whether this is a horrible moral tragedy. You’re the one downplaying that. A lack of power to change it isn’t a moral failing. An unwillingness to even correctly acknowledge the seriousness is.

                And you appear to be British. You don’t have a leg to stand on about complicity in imperialism both historically and in recent American efforts. If we are both defined by the sins of our nations we’re both living in glass houses. I’m at least acknowledging our sins.