people do not quit jobs, they quit managers and I personally would like to quit some coworkers.
Basically the manager says in public that I’m good and passionate about the job but privately she writes the opposite. She never talked to me about what I need to improve, if anything. And then has the gall to tell me to trust her if I want to open up to her. Two faced, not to trust.
I only found out when another manager read to me what she wrote about me.
I was never good at playing office politics. FWIW I don’t like the job, I do it because I need money and I’m good at it.
That was a big reason for me leaving my old job.
Your job isn’t loyal to you, why should you be loyal to your job?
Any reason is good enough to quit a job if you’re thinking of quitting.
What matters is how you feel going in each day.
I would advise when possible to not quit until you’ve got something else lined up however.
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Do you think this person will sign off on raises or promotions, or any other benefits?
Dump them. In your exit interview say, “manager has declined to comment on my performance, but has shared criticisms with other people. Understanding and improving the quality of my work is important, and I do not believe I am able to do that when facts are concealed from me.”
You need to leave.
This person is going to be a future block for you.
Be cordial as you can for two weeks, and honest as you’re comfortable on the exit interview (especially if you have receipts).
Most of the jobs I have left has been as a form protest. Manager/boss say or do something then I am happy to take my labour to a new career.
We’re all worth respect and if a job can’t offer that then they aren’t worth our labour.
Start looking for another job.
The only answer here is “do what you want but make sure you have a plan”.
How di$re$pected are you? To me as long as I am re$pected I stay unless someone offers me more re$pect.
Mental health is important too.
You don’t need justification to change jobs. Feeling like you want to is enough reason.
If your manager is telling you that you are doing a good job and has no notes on your performance, but telling the higher-ups at the company or other management level employees something other than exactly that, it’s no longer an issue of respect at that point. Your work environment is toxic.
Start seeking other positions. Take your time and interview carefully - remember to ask good questions that will help you get an idea of whether or not it would be a place that you can enjoy working at, or at the very least tolerate on a day-to-day basis.
If they ask you why you are quitting, wait until your exit interview to spill any details about your manager going behind your back. Do not accept counter-offers for continued employment (retaliation is very likely if you do stay) and don’t bother trying to hash out any grievances with the person conducting your exit interview (their promises are almost never backed up by action, just hot air to get you to stay and trap you where you are). Walk in there confident knowing that you committed to changing jobs over this.
Agreed. There are really only two reasons managers do that. Either they want to deny raises or they want to fire you. Both need a paper trail, and neither is affected by what they say to coworkers. Either way it’s time to interview with other companies.
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In general I always apply for a few jobs per year, even if I like my job. If I’m feeling unhappy at work, I’ll apply for about 20 jobs per day.
It never hurts to keep your options open for a salary increase, practice your interview skills, and learn what other companies are interested in.
Work relationships are built on trust. This is a rough time to be looking for work, but in your case please consider finding another job and only then quitting this one.
I peaced out of a job almost 2 years ago, something very toxic as well, and I’m 100% better for it. I hope you can find an environment that’s better for you.
Every significant “raise” I have had in my life has been getting a new job. Do it. Quit. You’ll be better off with a new job and be happy you left
Comments like yours remind me why I’m so damn lucky and grateful for my job…
In February I’ll have been there 10 years, and my salary is almost 150% more than when I started (which was above $50k for context).
I’ve gotten annual ~3% “raises” each year, as well as one role change (+11%), two promotions (+25% and +13%), and a raise I pushed for (+12%). The first promotion, my boss literally called me on a Tuesday and said I had a new title and my raise was effective as of the Saturday before.
I share this to remind people these kinds of companies do exist, even if they’re the exception.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I got a >100% in 3 years from a >50k by switching companies. That being said I don’t think I would change my current job for a different one, if I ever get made a significantly higher offer elsewhere I’m more likely to use it as leverage to get a similar raise here, so I can definitely understand the not wanting to leave a given company.
I’m glad you’re happy but I got similar results in half the time. I went from 40k, to 70, then 80, then 120, and finally 135 now in about 6 years. Of those each time I got a new job, except for 70 to 80 which was when I went from contracting to full time at the same job. Hell, I asked my manager at that job how I could get a raise and he said my best bet was to quit, go work somewhere else and come back in a few years. My number one piece of career advice I give everyone is “quit your job” especially if you work corporate
Yeah I’m sure I could have gotten more a bit faster and I’m pretty sure I’d make more with my title at many other companies, but environment and quality of life are worth more to me.
The company’s culture is fantastic for many reasons. It’s a well-known brand with ~2k corporate employees and while others are mandating RTO, my CEO has gone on public record multiple times to reinforce that we are a work-from-anywhere company. Also while there have been constant layoffs in the news over the past year, our last layoff was in 2021 (and relatively small). Layoffs under our CEO aren’t a fact of life while our prior CEO relished the twice annual layoff and is still doing that at the company he runs now.
Plus I genuinely like the work I do and love the people I work with. Now that I make money well beyond my means, I care way more about culture than chasing another buck.
Wish more young people understood this.
“bUT CaPitaListIsm!”
It’s a two-way street my friends. That evil employer paid you to gain experience and stack your resume. Wake the fuck up. Your labor is worth more than your take home pay. Take the money and run.
When my buddies and I moved to Florida, my guy went from a managerial position at a cable contractor to changing oil at Jiffy Lube. Every 6-months or so he’d hop up. In a few years he was making 6-digits.
That sounds like he was hopping down?
Not if the managerial position paid 50k and changing oil pays 150k
Wtf
