They line up in front of a courthouse in southeastern France, from morning to evening, and have gathered in the thousands in cities across the country. They hold signs reading, “one rape every six minutes,” “not all men but always a man,” and “giving in is not consenting.”

They chant: “Rapist we see you, victim we believe you.”

Women across France are rallying in support of Gisèle Pelicot, a 72-year-old reluctant icon whose husband is on trial in the city of Avignon for systematically drugging her and inviting dozens of men, 50 of whom are now his co-defendants, into their home to rape her over nearly a decade.

The shocking case has sparked what many women in France call a long-overdue reckoning over “rape culture” and systemic sexism in the way the judicial system handles sexual violence.

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    I’m so tired of walking into a post about women getting sexually assaulted and seeing a wall of “BuT WhAt AbOuT MeN!?!” comments. You people are so fucking stupid.

    Edit: To the downvoters, please explain why you think it’s appropriate to make a discussion about a woman being raped by 100+ men all about you. You’re so fucking fragile.

    Edit 2: Just an amazing lack of self awareness in these replies. Turns out some people really don’t see a problem with hijacking a post about women being sexually assaulted to make it all about them instead. That’s enough internet for today.

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      If she held up a sign holding “all gays should die” would that be enough to talk about? A protest for a good cause is not a free pass to spread untruths. There are some men in this thread who were actually raped and you rail against them for sharing their story. The trial still goes on, it’s not like people here are in favor of the rapists?

      To use your inflammatory language: it’s unbelievably stupid and fragile to believe you get to direct the contents of the topic. Let the adults talk

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      Imagine I’m selling a nice camera tripod but in the commercial people are beating each other to death with it. You walk into a Lemmy post about it and people are only talking about the ridiculous commercial. You gonna stand up and be like “Why isn’t anyone talking about the product!?” like that’s the real topic?

      We’re not in here talking about what happened. We’re talking about the news. The news is saying my half of the population is bad because of their story which I’m half a world away from and have no reason to believe.

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      I’m not one of them, but the problem is the sign in the thumbnail. Without that I doubt it would’ve upset as many people.

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          Nah lol I literally would be in here in full support without the sign, but with the sign I am reminded that even though I have been raped by two different women, not only am I seen as a horrid abuser for the crime of having been born with a penis, the women who raped me are seen as victims for the virtue of having a vagina. Erasing male victims and woman perpetrators in one fell swoop really isn’t a good look, it makes the issue gendered rather than about abusers V victims, and then to turn it around and claim that men are making it “all about us” as if the sign didn’t lead us there in the first place is some A+ victim blaming.

          If women don’t like that the conversation becomes about male victims in response to their erasure of male victims (and in this case woman perpetrators), then women should start speaking up for ALL victims instead of erasing us, regardless of how insignificant they think we are ignoring us is hurting OUR cause, yes “ours:” victims’ regardless of gender.

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            “yea I’d like this protest, but there’s literally one sign that offends me and they didn’t chant my name so fuck them all” you’re a piece of work omg xD

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              No u lmao, you literally are trying to silence victims of rape as we speak and you think I’m the piece of work? You having a stroke or something?

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            My dude, this post, and that sign, are not about you. They’re about a woman being raped by over 100 men.

            THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

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              Then put that on the sign, not “always men” ffs. The sign is a lie and a problem and the fact that you can’t see that means you’re part of that problem.

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                To be quite frank, the vast majority of sexual violence against women is perpetrated by men. The vast majority of all sexual violence is against women.

                I understand you feel your particular experience is unrepresented, but this particular case, and rallies, and signs etc… Are simply not about you or your experiences. This is about sexual violence against women. If you can’t see that, and you insist on inserting yourself into a context that has nothing to do with you, then there’s really nothing left to say.

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                  To be quite frank, the vast majority of sexual violence against women is perpetrated by men. The vast majority of all sexual violence is against women.

                  Oh thank you for clarifying why you think me being raped is insignificant and doesn’t matter. Wanna go for the rest of the hits while we’re here? “You must have enjoyed it because you’re a man” and “she was hot you should consider yourself lucky,” or who could forget the classic “get over it pussy?”

                  Fine, if there’s nothing left to say, then say nothing. That’ll be better than what you’ve been doing.

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                    Fine, if there’s nothing left to say, then say nothing. That’ll be better than what you’ve been doing

                    Probably best to take your own advice.

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                All rape is bad. It’s probably one of, if not the darkest, most evil form of violation one human being can do to another.

                The way sexual violence against women and sexual violence against men manifest themselves in our societies are totally different however. Each with different contexts and unique problems. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous and a bad faith argument.

                To hijack a thread about a woman who was drugged and raped by over 100 men over the course of a decade, which is a particularly shocking assault, because your specific trauma isn’t represented in this particular context is beyond offensive and petty.

                This woman was drugged and raped by over 100 men, over a huge gulf of time, orchestrated by a man that she trusted (her husband). It is an absolutely insane level of personal assault. Yet here we are, in the comments section, talking about men and their problems. Like we always end up doing.

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                    There’s a BLM protest over the police shooting an innocent black person 100+ times while they had their hands up. Someone posts about it on lemmy. A bunch of white people come to the thread and mention that the protest is bad because they’ve also been abused by police, and one (1) person there had a sign that says “fuck white people”. They say that sign is evil and racist and spoils the whole protest, and that the protest is garbage anyway because aLl LIveS mAtTEr and how dare they only protest violence against black people? White people are victims too! And BLM is a bunch of racist assholes who hate all white people for not catering to them 24/7 and having the gall to protest issues they disproportionately face rather than protesting for all victims of police violence.

                    This is you, to the letter. This is you and every other man coming here to distract from the issue at hand bc your issue is more important and bc you don’t give a shit about the people protesting or the fact that they face disproportionate amounts of violence.

                    This Is Not About You

                    If there ever is a protest against raping men, I hope nobody trolls it with the same AllLivesMatter bullshit that you are here

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                    How about you just say you don’t care about women and you are also sexist? Would be way easier for you, too.

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          I didn’t even look at the thumbnail. I’m a man btw. If I had to rewrite that sign it might say ‘NOT ALL MEN - JUST TOO MANY’. Or, I dunno, something like that.

          I kinda feel like, for blokes there are two important things we can do. Aside from stop having arguments about who’s the bigger victim (it’s women). First is just don’t do that shit. Just don’t. It’s actually easy and rewarding to not be a bad person. Second is don’t let any other guys get away with even talking like that. Even if they’re mates, step the fuck up and let them know that talk is not okay. Let’s be honest, many of us have heard our mates talk about women in a way we weren’t quite comfy with and afterwards thought we should have said something. Say something.

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      terminally online men try not to take a picture of a random sign in an otherwise unrelated article personally challenge (impossible)