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To be clear, handcuffing does not mean you’re being arrested, it means you’re being detained. It’s not about them getting you ready to take you away. It’s about them verifying that you’re not a threat.
Whatever the claim was, whatever the claim was. Being bogus obviously, but it was bad enough that the police felt they had the need to break in and clear before proceeding any further, which means they were probably told he was a threat.
I always felt like people put too much stock into being handcuffed or not, yet it sucks. I’ve been handcuffed before, In a similar but not nearly as severe circumstance.
It’s not meant as a punishment. It is just protecting the officers who arrive on scene because yes, people do cooperate and then they pull out of knife or gun and try to kill the first responders.
It is a punishment in the form of public humiliation, taking your autonomy, and dehumanizing you. People will automatically assume you’ve done something wrong if you’re in handcuffs.
If you feel humiliated because you have been placed in handcuffs, That’s really just a personal issue. How is it a form of public humiliation? It’s a safety precaution. Anyone who doesn’t understand that safety comes first should be the ones feeling humiliated.
I myself have never once felt dehumanized, nor humiliated being placed in handcuffs. Yeah people will assume you have done wrong, that sucks, but people will really quickly change their minds when you aren’t put head first into the back of a cop car. Personally I would feel 100% more humiliated if an officer looked at me, and thought he didn’t need to cuff me :/
I don’t mind being called a bootlicker. Police have saved my life before, and they’ve saved the lives of people I deeply care about. I have also seen policemen, who have helped peoplle out get attacked. I genuinely hope you are never put in a poosition where police have to save your life, But if they do one day, I hope you’ll change your mind.
I’ve been held at gun point three times in my life.
Every time I was not doing anything illegal or even suspicious. I am white, not that that should make a difference, but we all know it does. EDIT: to be clear, I’m saying cops are racist, and unjustly target minorities.
Each of those three times the person holding the gun was a power tripping asshole cop.
I have been in several dangerous situations where a cop happened by, and just kept on going.
I already live in a world where the police will not be there for me when I need them, and they solely present a danger with no benefit.
You want to see people that are truly guided by a desire to help people? Go to a fire station or a hospital. Cops are not heroes, just assholes that want power over others.
no way! sherlock, are you going to tell me that water exists next? holy you people watch too many movies. I don’t know if you live inner city in some crap us state, or some slum in some third world country but no fucking duh.
Even in the states, cops get reported all the time, the vast majority of times I hear of when cops do get reported and no real disciplinary action is performed, is almost always because it’s some crappy city where the police literally can’t find anyone to replace them. This is why things like transparency in the process are needed. But lets pretend for a second that most cops in the world are these corrupt maniacs that hollywood likes to make them out to be.
3 really bloody easy steps literally any crappy US state or really any state/country whatever in general could take right now would completely resolve this issue.
Make bodycam footage of incidents publicly accessible only redacting necessary footage by way of destructive blur and blur only. This will keep the privacy of folk in while still making sure that each and every officer can be held responsible for their actions.
Make a brief “internal investigation” status publicly available when one occurs, and make all information admissible in court. When you pair this with incident footage from publicly available bodycams. This both protects innocent officers by way of making it abundantly clear that a case is moot, but also prevents internal corruption by making it easy for effected parties to hold corrupt officials responsible via court.
increase funding for police in an open manor, all expenses should roughly detailed and publicly available, so they can accountably increase spending on things like de-escalation training, non lethal subjugation training whether this be grappling arts, tasers which aren’t completely useless, whatever it doesn’t matter. Just give them more options and better training.
But no. we can’t do this. Because guess what, politicians, democrats and republicans alike for US folk are all greedy assholes who benefit from division. Everyone want’s to scream defund the police, or treat the police as some overarching messiahs and either get rid of them wholly, or let them act with impunity. It wouldn’t even cost that much money to do the first two points which are the most important ones.
I always felt like people put too much stock into being handcuffed or not
Too much stock? Your bodily autonomy is being removed, under overt threat of further violence if you resist. It’s humiliating if seen in that condition because of assumptions people make. For someone who has done nothing wrong why the fuck wouldn’t they be indignant?
I’ve been handcuffed before, In a similar but not nearly as severe circumstance.
Me too, and I knew that they at least had a reason to think I was up to no good (I was not), it’s not the same as literally minding your own business in your own home and having them barge in. Not really apples to apples to this situation here.
Too much stock? Your bodily autonomy is being removed, under overt threat of further violence if you resist. It’s humiliating if seen in that condition because of assumptions people make. For someone who has done nothing wrong why the fuck wouldn’t they be indignant?
Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it. People do make assumptions yes, but those assumptions go away pretty damn quickly when people see you being uncuffed too.
Me too, and I knew that they at least had a reason to think I was up to no good (I was not), it’s not the same as literally minding your own business in your own home and having them barge in. Not really apples to apples to this situation here.
Perhaps I’m guilty of omission, if you were cuffed and thrown to the floor for no reason, I could understand being angry, however if you are explained why you are being detained which as I said, I think this case was handled right, can’t say I understand german so perhaps i am mistaken, there is no reason why you should feel humiliated.
every time I have witnessed, or was handcuffed myself, the reasons were always explained, specifically in my case, I was told I was being detained and restrained for the safety of the first responders.
I don’t disagree with you about this specific case, I was reacting to your “people put too much stock in being cuffed.” Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.
Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it.
I understand they can pick a different job if it’s too much for them, and that they knew what the job entailed when they picked the career in the first place.
Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.
I don’t think it’s traumatic at all if the police handle it right, as I predicated earlier. Police in most cases don’t need to throw you to the ground, don’t need to scream at you etc. It does happen yes, and it absolutely shouldn’t happen unless there is an extremely good reason for it. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m specifically saying, if the police handle it right, it’s not traumatizing nor humiliating
And I’m saying, even if they are polite, they are polite because I comply. If I don’t really want to be in handcuffs right then - doesn’t matter. If I’ve got an important appointment or was about to leave to pick up my child from school before police arrived to “make sure I’m not a threat” - doesn’t matter.
Your options at that point, even as someone who has done nothing wrong are comply, or expect violence. THAT is inherently traumatic.
I’m not sure whether that being traumatic is a good thing or a bad thing, but if something like that is the extent to which someone could get trauma, I can only suspect they have lived quite the good life I suppose.
Wow what a dodge. It doesn’t matter the extent of the trauma or whether it’s the worst trauma they have had. You are minding your own business, have done nothing wrong, then the cops show up with a random accusation and “need” to put you in cuffs while they determine if you are a threat. Comply or violence. It’s not right.
Of course it isn’t right. When did this become right or wrong? It’s about traumatic or not. There are lots of things in life you have to deal with that aren’t right. They’re very wrong oftentimes, but you deal with that. Being traumatized over something like that is just insane.
I would get being upset with it maybe for a couple days. But having a long lasting mental injury because you got handcuffed is… Impressively weak.
Yes, but I still don’t believe an anonymous caller should have this kind of weight. If it’s not anonymous however it should.
But then there should also be a possibility of the caller facing charges on an obviously false accusation.
So the caller needs to be verified before going to extremes.
There are lots of times when you need to act on anonymity. For one, many people who report crimes that happen to others they witness, if it has happened to them, will absolutely refuse to give out any identifiable information, especially if those crimes are… sexual in nature.
Are you saying that if someone like this reports said crime, the police should not act on it? I strongly disagree, I do think officers need to be more forth coming about why something is happening, and why someone is being treated X way, but I still believe 100% that officers should act on it.
To be clear, handcuffing does not mean you’re being arrested, it means you’re being detained. It’s not about them getting you ready to take you away. It’s about them verifying that you’re not a threat.
Whatever the claim was, whatever the claim was. Being bogus obviously, but it was bad enough that the police felt they had the need to break in and clear before proceeding any further, which means they were probably told he was a threat.
I always felt like people put too much stock into being handcuffed or not, yet it sucks. I’ve been handcuffed before, In a similar but not nearly as severe circumstance.
It’s not meant as a punishment. It is just protecting the officers who arrive on scene because yes, people do cooperate and then they pull out of knife or gun and try to kill the first responders.
It is a punishment in the form of public humiliation, taking your autonomy, and dehumanizing you. People will automatically assume you’ve done something wrong if you’re in handcuffs.
If you feel humiliated because you have been placed in handcuffs, That’s really just a personal issue. How is it a form of public humiliation? It’s a safety precaution. Anyone who doesn’t understand that safety comes first should be the ones feeling humiliated.
I myself have never once felt dehumanized, nor humiliated being placed in handcuffs. Yeah people will assume you have done wrong, that sucks, but people will really quickly change their minds when you aren’t put head first into the back of a cop car. Personally I would feel 100% more humiliated if an officer looked at me, and thought he didn’t need to cuff me :/
Sounds like bootlicker talk to me.
These people don’t understand that they are arguing against their own self interest.
The state is justified for acting on fake calls… Sucks to suck peasants.
Sure buddy, there is no way this system would be abused 🤡
I don’t mind being called a bootlicker. Police have saved my life before, and they’ve saved the lives of people I deeply care about. I have also seen policemen, who have helped peoplle out get attacked. I genuinely hope you are never put in a poosition where police have to save your life, But if they do one day, I hope you’ll change your mind.
I’ve been held at gun point three times in my life.
Every time I was not doing anything illegal or even suspicious. I am white, not that that should make a difference, but we all know it does. EDIT: to be clear, I’m saying cops are racist, and unjustly target minorities.
Each of those three times the person holding the gun was a power tripping asshole cop.
I have been in several dangerous situations where a cop happened by, and just kept on going.
I already live in a world where the police will not be there for me when I need them, and they solely present a danger with no benefit.
You want to see people that are truly guided by a desire to help people? Go to a fire station or a hospital. Cops are not heroes, just assholes that want power over others.
Some are yes, but the overall majority are not. A lot of this comes down to demographic location.
When they don’t self report the ones that are bad, they become bad.
How is that concept difficult for you?
no way! sherlock, are you going to tell me that water exists next? holy you people watch too many movies. I don’t know if you live inner city in some crap us state, or some slum in some third world country but no fucking duh.
Even in the states, cops get reported all the time, the vast majority of times I hear of when cops do get reported and no real disciplinary action is performed, is almost always because it’s some crappy city where the police literally can’t find anyone to replace them. This is why things like transparency in the process are needed. But lets pretend for a second that most cops in the world are these corrupt maniacs that hollywood likes to make them out to be.
3 really bloody easy steps literally any crappy US state or really any state/country whatever in general could take right now would completely resolve this issue.
But no. we can’t do this. Because guess what, politicians, democrats and republicans alike for US folk are all greedy assholes who benefit from division. Everyone want’s to scream defund the police, or treat the police as some overarching messiahs and either get rid of them wholly, or let them act with impunity. It wouldn’t even cost that much money to do the first two points which are the most important ones.
Too much stock? Your bodily autonomy is being removed, under overt threat of further violence if you resist. It’s humiliating if seen in that condition because of assumptions people make. For someone who has done nothing wrong why the fuck wouldn’t they be indignant?
Me too, and I knew that they at least had a reason to think I was up to no good (I was not), it’s not the same as literally minding your own business in your own home and having them barge in. Not really apples to apples to this situation here.
Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it. People do make assumptions yes, but those assumptions go away pretty damn quickly when people see you being uncuffed too.
Perhaps I’m guilty of omission, if you were cuffed and thrown to the floor for no reason, I could understand being angry, however if you are explained why you are being detained which as I said, I think this case was handled right, can’t say I understand german so perhaps i am mistaken, there is no reason why you should feel humiliated.
every time I have witnessed, or was handcuffed myself, the reasons were always explained, specifically in my case, I was told I was being detained and restrained for the safety of the first responders.
I don’t disagree with you about this specific case, I was reacting to your “people put too much stock in being cuffed.” Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.
I understand they can pick a different job if it’s too much for them, and that they knew what the job entailed when they picked the career in the first place.
I don’t think it’s traumatic at all if the police handle it right, as I predicated earlier. Police in most cases don’t need to throw you to the ground, don’t need to scream at you etc. It does happen yes, and it absolutely shouldn’t happen unless there is an extremely good reason for it. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m specifically saying, if the police handle it right, it’s not traumatizing nor humiliating
And I’m saying, even if they are polite, they are polite because I comply. If I don’t really want to be in handcuffs right then - doesn’t matter. If I’ve got an important appointment or was about to leave to pick up my child from school before police arrived to “make sure I’m not a threat” - doesn’t matter.
Your options at that point, even as someone who has done nothing wrong are comply, or expect violence. THAT is inherently traumatic.
I’m not sure whether that being traumatic is a good thing or a bad thing, but if something like that is the extent to which someone could get trauma, I can only suspect they have lived quite the good life I suppose.
Wow what a dodge. It doesn’t matter the extent of the trauma or whether it’s the worst trauma they have had. You are minding your own business, have done nothing wrong, then the cops show up with a random accusation and “need” to put you in cuffs while they determine if you are a threat. Comply or violence. It’s not right.
Of course it isn’t right. When did this become right or wrong? It’s about traumatic or not. There are lots of things in life you have to deal with that aren’t right. They’re very wrong oftentimes, but you deal with that. Being traumatized over something like that is just insane.
I would get being upset with it maybe for a couple days. But having a long lasting mental injury because you got handcuffed is… Impressively weak.
Yes, but I still don’t believe an anonymous caller should have this kind of weight. If it’s not anonymous however it should.
But then there should also be a possibility of the caller facing charges on an obviously false accusation.
So the caller needs to be verified before going to extremes.
There are lots of times when you need to act on anonymity. For one, many people who report crimes that happen to others they witness, if it has happened to them, will absolutely refuse to give out any identifiable information, especially if those crimes are… sexual in nature.
Are you saying that if someone like this reports said crime, the police should not act on it? I strongly disagree, I do think officers need to be more forth coming about why something is happening, and why someone is being treated X way, but I still believe 100% that officers should act on it.