• wheezy@lemmy.ml
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    including AI-based systems built to identify large numbers of potential low-ranking Hamas targets, who were then bombed in their homes at night

    The guardian finally talking about something 972 mag covered back in January 2025.

    It’s not secret! It’s Google and Microsoft and many other AI companies testing their AI systems on Gaza. It’s a huge part of the incentives of the genocide. Write the companies fucking names you fucking cowards.

    https://www.972mag.com/microsoft-azure-openai-israeli-army-cloud/

    I was fired from Microsoft in July speaking out against these systems. Not personally in the video. But we’ve know this shit with constant whistleblowers speaking out since 2024. It’s not true until an Israeli soldier feels sad about it later I guess.

    https://youtu.be/9jY5rbSfh_Y

    The fact that Microsoft and Google are not mentioned in this article is doing the work to wash the blood off the hands of American corporations. It’s not a fucking secret system. We know exactly what it is and we know exactly who profited from the mass murder of children. Fuck you.

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      I don’t think this part of your comment is fair.

      The guardian finally talking about something 972 mag covered back in January 2025.

      The 972-article you provided even links bach to this Guardian article as one of its sources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/23/israeli-military-gaza-war-microsoft .

      The Article from this post does also not suggest this to be entirely unknown information:

      NAZA builds on revelations first published by the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine, the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call and the Guardian between 2023 and 2025.

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        I appreciate your criticism. And I knew this would come up. But didn’t want to address it in my initial comment. I lose focus enough as it is.

        But one reason documentation of these events is so important is the truth that “one day, everyone will have always been against this”. We are reaching that point of history and no one has been made to answer for the crimes. These outlets want you to believe they have always been covering this fairly. That is why they covered everything, buried the leads, and filled their coverage with justification and doubt for the crimes of Israel.

        While it’s true the guardian covered this at the time, they did so in a very “but Hamas” and “Israel denies” manner that was very much manufacturing consent for the genocide at the time. It was more meant to create a defensive and doubt inducing coverage of the reports than it was to expose the crimes.

        The Washington Post, the new York times, and the Guardian have been doing this type of coverage since the genocide began.

        It’s why the article you linked is very focused on what became the fake separation of Microsoft from Israel later. Microsoft made a big show of “cutting of access to unit 8200” in late 2025. Which, was essentially just Microsoft handing over its cloud infrastructure to Israel and allowing it to be run independently from Microsoft infrastructure. Continuing to provide everything they needed; while introducing a false separation that continues to this day.

        Read the guardian article for yourself. It is still covered with “activist say” and “some are accusing” and leaving the conclusion up to the reader. When that is not the job of investigative reporting or a news outlet. The job is to provide the statements and INVESTIGATE THEIR VALIDITY. And during the genocide and to this day. News outlets are incapable of calling a spade a spade when it comes to Israel. And more and more so, as Israel becomes unpopular, the companies and American politicians that supported and funded this genocide, will use this type of “we reported” defense to let them off the hook for what they justified at the time. We can’t let that happen.

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        Same or less burden of proof than flock’s cameras saying you’re driving a stolen car.

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        I mean, aid workers were unabashedly killed. So the definition’s scope seems to be incredibly wide

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        Hamas is a militant group but is also the governing entity of Gaza. They are treated the same through Western media with no distinction between civilians or militants. It would be like labeling American firefighters as the same as the American pilots that bombed the girls school in Iran.

        And it’s even worse than just that. They specifically attack “Hamas members” in their homes. They don’t even hide the reasons why. They openly will say it is to “incentivize” others to not “be Hamas” by targeting their family.

        As someone that has worked at Microsoft and heard from first hand the people that had access to these systems I can say that this is not at all a “failure of AI”. That is mostly an excuse for what is actually being done.

        The AI portions of these systems are primarily about dealing with large amounts of data collection to form a narrative an reasoning that would otherwise have no basis in reality. Gaza, even before the Palestinian Genocide, had the most surveillance on the planet. The AI is primarily used to disconnect humans from the doubt in the decisions they are making. The AI doesn’t have to function for accuracy when it’s goal is not accuracy. The goal is to ensure those carrying out the strikes believe in its accuracy. That their is enough for them to believe they are “making the best hard decision”. It is the only way to ensure a state like Israel maintains it genocidal goals.

        The comparison of this would be the industrialization of murder that was the Holocaust. The Nazis did not change to gas chambers as a means of “efficiency”. The mass slaughter of innocent people was creating doubt and unrest in those carrying out the slaughter. You can believe the worst white supremacist hate and enjoy all the propaganda that justifies your actions. But, at a certain point, that is no longer enough. The direct participantion in mass suffering will break anyone. Even if it’s not in understanding their actions as wrong. But making them incapable of being functional enough to continue acting as a tool for mass murder.

        The Israeli soldier that committed suicide after describing their bulldozing over dead bodies for months. That type of thing. But, if that direct level of participation is abstracted by “this very smart system says these deaths are justified” and the soldier is only pressing a button on an Xbox controller. Well, you’ve manufactured a society that is capable of a genocide. And proudly so.

        This type of maintenance on the Israeli population itself is something that is rarely talked about. But, I think it can be seen as a “Israelis are actually victims”. So, I want to be clear that’s not what I’m trying to say. But, I am interested in understanding how a society and a state can reach such a level of hubris, such unapologetic rejoice in their crimes; so we can stop it.

        I don’t think it’s helpful to say “they are just evil”. It is true. The Nazis were fucking evil. The IDF are fucking evil. But, how does that occur and become sustainable? I think people stop and just attribute it to a flaw in some inherent human trait of a people. Which, ironically, is often the justification used by those commiting genocide themselves.

        The only way to recover from and prevent these things is to understand the structures that maintain them in the first place. And, that, is what AI is primarily being used for in warfare and in genocide. It is a means of maintaining it. It’s why when Microsoft says it’s “cutoff Israel from xyz” they are doing this to save face in the public eye. To attempt to separate their image from the direct systems that press the button. But, are still maintaining the structures that allow, justify, and maintain the structures that allow that button to exist and keep the IDF soldier pressing it.

        Sorry, rant. But I never imagined in my college years working on programming problems that I’d end up at a company so connected to and so at fault for carrying out the mass slaughter of innocents halfway around the world. It does something to you.

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        Based on the fact they leveled the entire city and murdered tens of thousands of children, I’m guessing anyone who had a phone in the vicinity of another “hamas” phone at any point in time (e.g. the entire population).

        When you are a fascist genocidal ethnostate, everyone is the enemy. Even the babies.

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      Oh yeah it’s not a secret I’ve read about it in numerous publications. You can bet they are using it as a testing ground for all the most dystopian military tech you can imagine, including autokillbots.

      Which are forbidden under an international agreement but that means nothing now. Israel claims to keep a human in the loop to make the final decision, for whatever that is worth, which is nothing.