You get those stories from the mother posting about how a bakery did this really nice thing for her.
From my perspective, if someone advertises that they did <nice thing> then it’s just ad spend. Give them kudos for spending a portion of their marketing budget on charity rather than just commercials, but it is still marketing. This can apply to individuals building up their social reputation too.
no. the fact you want someone to notice robs the good deed of it’s goodness.
because you only did it for your own selfish gain. you’re so selfish that you can’t conceive of doing good without it being recognized as it’s own reward.
But don’t worry, that’s ‘normal’. in our society. in our society, doing something without it having value to yourself is considered a mental illness, because we have so internalized capitalism and greed, you can’t even conceive of not gaining something from doing something for someone else
and hence why we live in brutally transactional world, and why everyone cries about how relationships and community is falling apart… because they don’t see any point unless THEY get something out of it.
Naw dawg, when I do a good thing I want people to notice. Not so that I get a reward or social credit for doing something nice. Fuck that. I want to normalize doing nice things. I want people to talk about the nice thing I did, then when they have a chance to do something nice they remember me and pass it forward. I want someone else to benefit from my kindness and for that act of kindness to propagate forward.
No, it’s about them wanting other people to do good things, and trying to encourage that by example. And I think they have a point - it’s hard to model a behavior when nobody is aware of it, and it’s hard to normalize a behavior nobody talks about
these behaviors are already normal and normalized the fact you think they aren’t is so bizarre. people are nice to each other all the time, except on lemmy.
just because you don’t see shit doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. but true that internet weirdos seem to think the only thing that does exist is the doomerism oppression of the world they constantly upvote and cultivate.
Internet weirdos… god the extreme eye roll the other guy probably had readding your reply is most definitely why they just didnt bother with you. I get you’re just a shitty troll, but god could you just go back to reddit and have a troll fest with an ai and leave others alone.
There is no such thing as a selfless good deed. We’re social animals. We feel GOOD when people around us feel GOOD. We’re intelligent animals. We notice this pattern and conclude that if we make another person feel good, WE’LL feel good too. This is virtuous.
Sharing good deeds make them feel NORMAL and people like to follow the standards for normal behaviour to fit in. This creates a virtuous circle.
Sure some people only do a good deed to advertise it because they’ll get more capital out of it than the cost of the deed. But that’s not what’s happening here. I don’t know the store or the owner, they get nothing from me.
No it doesn’t. If you do it specifically for clout, that is not a good deed. But doing a good deed and then telling others about it because it made you feel good isn’t.
You can say that about anything. This is a very philosophical thought but why do we act and do good deeds? There is an argument to be made that people only do good things so they feel better about themselves. But I don’t think you have to see this so one-dimensional. Both people can feel good. Do you think the mother is upset that this worker might have written about this genuinely nice story so it invalidates ones actions? Even if they were sincere?
I really don’t believe you can ever do anything fully unconditional even if you say so. But win-wins exist. Trump would argue when one side wins another must lose. I don’t believe in this.
What world do we live in where we shame people for sharing stories about kind acts? What do you want from the internet? Only trash? Only news and politics? Your view of the world is a very dark one and one I wish to never adopt.
Which to the vast majority of users here, is trash. Because they see the world in one dimension and can’t acknowledge other people’s differences as anything more than evil that must be stamped out.
Which for you, you can’t have truth or discussion without shaming other people I guess? Hence your need to frame my talking points as shaming people and my view must be very dark and awful.
I see my views as positive, liberating, and optimistic. Because I think cutting out the subject feely weely fictional bullshit of life is what makes it worth living, and yeah I understand for other people, that is terrifying and scary and awful, because for them all life is is the feely weely bullshit and they are terrified of a world that isn’t entirely composed of it, especially people like Trump.
I’d go so far to argue most of the posters on here are far more like Trump, than they are different than him, in that they want a world that is nothing more than a mirror-reflection of their own egoistical assumptions, and is totally allergic to any objectivity or truth that may upset them, and think any such idea or person espousing such idea is EVIL and BAD.
Okay then answer me if humans a unconditionally do anything really? If you do something nice and feel better afterwards you gain something from it. So what is something people do by volition without them benefiting in any way shape or form
You get those stories from the mother posting about how a bakery did this really nice thing for her.
From my perspective, if someone advertises that they did <nice thing> then it’s just ad spend. Give them kudos for spending a portion of their marketing budget on charity rather than just commercials, but it is still marketing. This can apply to individuals building up their social reputation too.
So we should do good deeds in complete silence and just hope that someone notices.
I hate to break it you guys but that’s not working anymore. It hasn’t for decades.
no. the fact you want someone to notice robs the good deed of it’s goodness.
because you only did it for your own selfish gain. you’re so selfish that you can’t conceive of doing good without it being recognized as it’s own reward.
But don’t worry, that’s ‘normal’. in our society. in our society, doing something without it having value to yourself is considered a mental illness, because we have so internalized capitalism and greed, you can’t even conceive of not gaining something from doing something for someone else
and hence why we live in brutally transactional world, and why everyone cries about how relationships and community is falling apart… because they don’t see any point unless THEY get something out of it.
Naw dawg, when I do a good thing I want people to notice. Not so that I get a reward or social credit for doing something nice. Fuck that. I want to normalize doing nice things. I want people to talk about the nice thing I did, then when they have a chance to do something nice they remember me and pass it forward. I want someone else to benefit from my kindness and for that act of kindness to propagate forward.
Exactly.
Saw a couple of kids recently gather some litter off the ground and throw it away.
Myself and a few other people noticed and gave those kids major props.
We need to encourage civility for everyone’s sake.
Every sentence there is about you making yourself feel good.
None if it, is about how the other people feel.
No, it’s about them wanting other people to do good things, and trying to encourage that by example. And I think they have a point - it’s hard to model a behavior when nobody is aware of it, and it’s hard to normalize a behavior nobody talks about
‘be like me so i feel good about myself’
that’s egotism.
these behaviors are already normal and normalized the fact you think they aren’t is so bizarre. people are nice to each other all the time, except on lemmy.
just because you don’t see shit doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. but true that internet weirdos seem to think the only thing that does exist is the doomerism oppression of the world they constantly upvote and cultivate.
Internet weirdos… god the extreme eye roll the other guy probably had readding your reply is most definitely why they just didnt bother with you. I get you’re just a shitty troll, but god could you just go back to reddit and have a troll fest with an ai and leave others alone.
Based. Honestly after seeing no genuine faithful reply calling this “egoism”. I’m also feeling like we shouldn’t feed this troll.
right, anyone who disputes or disagrees with you and defends their position is a troll.
as if that’s such a upstanding position to take…
There is no such thing as a selfless good deed. We’re social animals. We feel GOOD when people around us feel GOOD. We’re intelligent animals. We notice this pattern and conclude that if we make another person feel good, WE’LL feel good too. This is virtuous.
Sharing good deeds make them feel NORMAL and people like to follow the standards for normal behaviour to fit in. This creates a virtuous circle.
Sure some people only do a good deed to advertise it because they’ll get more capital out of it than the cost of the deed. But that’s not what’s happening here. I don’t know the store or the owner, they get nothing from me.
No it doesn’t. If you do it specifically for clout, that is not a good deed. But doing a good deed and then telling others about it because it made you feel good isn’t.
You can say that about anything. This is a very philosophical thought but why do we act and do good deeds? There is an argument to be made that people only do good things so they feel better about themselves. But I don’t think you have to see this so one-dimensional. Both people can feel good. Do you think the mother is upset that this worker might have written about this genuinely nice story so it invalidates ones actions? Even if they were sincere?
I really don’t believe you can ever do anything fully unconditional even if you say so. But win-wins exist. Trump would argue when one side wins another must lose. I don’t believe in this.
What world do we live in where we shame people for sharing stories about kind acts? What do you want from the internet? Only trash? Only news and politics? Your view of the world is a very dark one and one I wish to never adopt.
No, I want truth and critical discourse.
Which to the vast majority of users here, is trash. Because they see the world in one dimension and can’t acknowledge other people’s differences as anything more than evil that must be stamped out.
Which for you, you can’t have truth or discussion without shaming other people I guess? Hence your need to frame my talking points as shaming people and my view must be very dark and awful.
I see my views as positive, liberating, and optimistic. Because I think cutting out the subject feely weely fictional bullshit of life is what makes it worth living, and yeah I understand for other people, that is terrifying and scary and awful, because for them all life is is the feely weely bullshit and they are terrified of a world that isn’t entirely composed of it, especially people like Trump.
I’d go so far to argue most of the posters on here are far more like Trump, than they are different than him, in that they want a world that is nothing more than a mirror-reflection of their own egoistical assumptions, and is totally allergic to any objectivity or truth that may upset them, and think any such idea or person espousing such idea is EVIL and BAD.
Okay then answer me if humans a unconditionally do anything really? If you do something nice and feel better afterwards you gain something from it. So what is something people do by volition without them benefiting in any way shape or form