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Cross posted from https://sh.itjust.works/post/62848445
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Meta would let accounts reported for human trafficking purposefully remain active for 17 days or more if it helped with engagement.
So accounts where someone was potentially being trafficked and forced to prostitution where encouraged by meta to remain up for as long as possible.
Meta also is losing a lawsuit for being dangerous to teens. Yet every advertisement I get for them on YouTube, reddit etc claim they have saftey features for teens. Everything they say is the opposite.
Also this problem is mostly Ais fault.
I was with you until the last line. This has nothing to do with A.I. Facebook has been doing this kind of stuff long before A.I. was a thing.
You can be anti-A.I. that’s fine, but don’t conflate the two when one proceeds the other. You’re just hurting your own argument when you throw in things like that.
Facebook is in a constant loop of firing employees and using the existing ones to train ai. Much of metas whole brand is algorithms (ai) and consuming your data while doing nothing about real systemic issues because they need your data to feed their ai and make ad revenu. I think its fair to say most of Facebook is just ai. They have LLMS, social manipulating algorithms for advertisers to exploit, facial detection, etc etc.
At the core its Ai just becoming a paper clip maximizer while willfully ignoring the obvious flaws, and instead choosing to double down. Now we have ai moderation in Facebook, and instead of banning porn ads, or direct scams they ban people for political speech with ai using basic keywords and image scanning tools which are wrong majority of the time. Thats another lawsuit Facebook is facing right now.
To me I don’t see how you can’t say ai is not a major contributor to this problem. Sure maybe if we hired back all the human employees nothing would change, but I don’t think expanding the systematic tools that are used to abuse you while continually ignoring the glaring issues like sex trafficking, csam, scams, drugs etc is a good look. You can’t tell me they have the ai tools now to ban tens to hundreds of thousands of people for a single word in a comment 5 years ago, but they can’t stop when their advertisers post csam? They know what they are doing and they are using algorithms to boost their ad revenue. This company has been found guilty in court for essentially rigging the election. They have bragged about manipulating peoples feeds to force their emotions to change to see of they make more profits. I don’t understand how you can’t see the facts I posted and not see how Ai is exaggerating these problems to the point of it being criminal.
If you are trying to make some kind of distinction between LLMs that chatgpt use, and the different between algorithms on a Facebook feed, I am happy to make the distinction. But in general artificial intelligence is a broad term, and covers all those. To pre-argue the next point Facebook does have LLMS that do the average chat bot stuff too, and yes Facebook has gotten in trouble for having them sext teens.
They were super bad (like, global leaders in innovating new levels of bad) before LLMs took off, not that controversial or difficult of a distinction.
Completely agree with the commenter who replied to you, and suddenly saying “it’s mostly AI” at the end frankly just lets them off the hook. Cuz they were doing this the old fashioned human way for a long time, and it bears remembering. Paying workers in other countries to traumatize themselves horrifically in order to classify and censor the worst of the worst.
The algorithms that manipulates your Facebook feed is Ai and yes that predated LLMs and chatgpt who turned this Ai craze into meaningless marketing term. When most people think of Ai they almost exclusively think of chatgpt, or grok. LLMs are not the only form of Ai, thats marketing hype and the same mechanisms that make us start refering to chatgpt or google as a verb. They don’t own a term that describes a vast arrange of software and technologies.
Yes Facebook have been using ai and manipulating peoples feeds for the benefit of their advertisers. This system was used to do a regime change in Egypt and thanks to Cambridge analytica essentially got trump elected the first time. You can say they’ve done it the human way for a long time, but thats not true it was a short period of time before they started training face tagging algorithms, systematically collecting data on you even when you don’t use a Facebook account, even something simple like changing from a organic feed to an algorithmic manipulation feed. Facebook has had Ai in it some from sort from the start, and all of it was and still is bad. I don’t know how to explain anymore clearly that just because LLMs exist now that doesnt mean Ai didn’t existed in the past. I can’t explain to you how much of Facebook has always been just ai data scraping, illegal nonsense.
I think you guys are getting caught up in wording because we are talking about the same thing. Maybe you guys didn’t use it back then and thought it was something more organic and akin to MySpace. It was like that for a year before they started doing weird privacy invading shit because they got inqtel funding. The only thing I don’t have a retort to is humans having to moderate content. I can tell you why we shouldnt use Ai but not a productive alternative.
Also I in no way want to let them off the hook, if anything I think their punishments should be worse or even excessive, for trying to pin their intentions on Ai and mysterious algorithms they pretend not to understand, yet they some how figured out how to abuse that algorithm for their ad partners. If I where to have it my way mark zuckerburg would be in prison already by a judge who insist on using maximum sentences for all possible crimes I can think of, and meta/Facebook would get a fine thats impossible to pay back similar to infowars.
Facebook and Instagram was allowing ads for cocaine to be shipped through the mail in Canada… probably still are https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1aaiTgBE9Q&ra=m
who the hell at facebook is approving these ads?
||no i am not calling it meta||
Ads on Instagram are only published after first being approved by its moderation technology… When the BBC reported one of the ads to Instagram, the social media platform responded 24 hours later saying the post did not violate its “community guidelines”.
Makes the mass layoffs in the tech sector all the more galling.
Another classic day at Meta. I still wonder why people use their services.
It’s free on poorer countries even for those without mobile internet data. And we know why the service is free…
True, but I think the fact that a good portion of the services were the “first” to be used also comes into play.
As an example, I always think of WhatsApp, which in my country has (unfortunately) become the messaging service used by everyone, even businesses. WhatsApp was the first to arrive in a market where no one else offered that service (or offered it at its level), and thanks to this, it has gained a following of users who now, out of laziness, don’t want to switch services even though they (perhaps) realize that there are better ones out there.
For many, they use it simply out of habit and the laziness of not wanting to switch to something else. Like those who used Internet Explorer because installing another, clearly better, browser was too much of a hassle.
What do you mean its free even for those without data?
Because people forgot about “net neutrality” and, for example in my country, mobile operators include 2GB WhatsApp, 4GB Facebook etc. in their packages. The newest trend I saw is “unlimited data for ChatGPT”. Internetust be classified as a utility globally. But at this rate, soon power companies will have “100kWh free for Bosch appliances” or something like that.
Its insane when I was in Texas I heard ads for power companies saying you get “free power” between certain times.
I can 100% seeing people get ai driven pricing that monitors your usage and charges you the most when you are at home or the least when you are at work or asleep.
Its a insane idea to privatize and commodify a utility like electricity like that. LLMs are kind of of the same mechanism but over information on the internet. Pretty soon the internet won’t be accessible unless you have some official google Facebook or whatever account tied to your ID. Every major website will just cease to function unless you sign in. Its pretty much already like that, I can’t see reddit anymore sense I got banned and always am on a VPN. Newpipe forces me to change my IP every 3-4 hours because YouTube suspects I’m a bot. The only way to access any information will be through a LLM, and you will pay out the ass for it and its going to be full of dark patterns to try to keep you on as long as possible, and feed you as much advertisements. And thats if they even show you real information and not elon musk/Prager u’s alternative history ai nonsense.
The internet is being dismantled as we speak, stolen, and then will repackaged to us in a form that is just a giant loot box. Like imagine having to constantly reroll your Claude code paying 10 bucks a spin so you can finish your gig work job done through some app. And you make 6 dollars after the LLM, and gig work app takes its fees. There where Israel gaming (gaming as in slot machines) companies that got kids addicted to video game gambling. They have numerous mobile slot machine apps for kids, and are apart of the gaming commission which heavily lobbied for gambling (lootboxes) in games. Then and the millennial adults addicted to kalshi, every one is programmed for this bullshit.
I mean even without any mobile credit, you can still browse Facebook in many developing countries.
Thank god I never see ads anywhere, reminds me of the promoted posts on Google that phish unfortunate non adblock users into handing over their login credentials.
What’s funny is they are constantly pushings ads right now that says the google playstore is the safest place and has no malware. Ironically some around 60-70% of malware comes from the google playstore directly.
Yet google is pushing so hard for third party apps to not be able to be installed on android what soever. Meaning you HAVE to go to the playstore filled with malware, and can’t even use some FOSS github alternative.
