They were super bad (like, global leaders in innovating new levels of bad) before LLMs took off, not that controversial or difficult of a distinction.
Completely agree with the commenter who replied to you, and suddenly saying “it’s mostly AI” at the end frankly just lets them off the hook. Cuz they were doing this the old fashioned human way for a long time, and it bears remembering. Paying workers in other countries to traumatize themselves horrifically in order to classify and censor the worst of the worst.
The algorithms that manipulates your Facebook feed is Ai and yes that predated LLMs and chatgpt who turned this Ai craze into meaningless marketing term. When most people think of Ai they almost exclusively think of chatgpt, or grok. LLMs are not the only form of Ai, thats marketing hype and the same mechanisms that make us start refering to chatgpt or google as a verb. They don’t own a term that describes a vast arrange of software and technologies.
Yes Facebook have been using ai and manipulating peoples feeds for the benefit of their advertisers. This system was used to do a regime change in Egypt and thanks to Cambridge analytica essentially got trump elected the first time. You can say they’ve done it the human way for a long time, but thats not true it was a short period of time before they started training face tagging algorithms, systematically collecting data on you even when you don’t use a Facebook account, even something simple like changing from a organic feed to an algorithmic manipulation feed. Facebook has had Ai in it some from sort from the start, and all of it was and still is bad. I don’t know how to explain anymore clearly that just because LLMs exist now that doesnt mean Ai didn’t existed in the past. I can’t explain to you how much of Facebook has always been just ai data scraping, illegal nonsense.
I think you guys are getting caught up in wording because we are talking about the same thing. Maybe you guys didn’t use it back then and thought it was something more organic and akin to MySpace. It was like that for a year before they started doing weird privacy invading shit because they got inqtel funding. The only thing I don’t have a retort to is humans having to moderate content. I can tell you why we shouldnt use Ai but not a productive alternative.
Also I in no way want to let them off the hook, if anything I think their punishments should be worse or even excessive, for trying to pin their intentions on Ai and mysterious algorithms they pretend not to understand, yet they some how figured out how to abuse that algorithm for their ad partners. If I where to have it my way mark zuckerburg would be in prison already by a judge who insist on using maximum sentences for all possible crimes I can think of, and meta/Facebook would get a fine thats impossible to pay back similar to infowars.
They were super bad (like, global leaders in innovating new levels of bad) before LLMs took off, not that controversial or difficult of a distinction.
Completely agree with the commenter who replied to you, and suddenly saying “it’s mostly AI” at the end frankly just lets them off the hook. Cuz they were doing this the old fashioned human way for a long time, and it bears remembering. Paying workers in other countries to traumatize themselves horrifically in order to classify and censor the worst of the worst.
The algorithms that manipulates your Facebook feed is Ai and yes that predated LLMs and chatgpt who turned this Ai craze into meaningless marketing term. When most people think of Ai they almost exclusively think of chatgpt, or grok. LLMs are not the only form of Ai, thats marketing hype and the same mechanisms that make us start refering to chatgpt or google as a verb. They don’t own a term that describes a vast arrange of software and technologies.
Yes Facebook have been using ai and manipulating peoples feeds for the benefit of their advertisers. This system was used to do a regime change in Egypt and thanks to Cambridge analytica essentially got trump elected the first time. You can say they’ve done it the human way for a long time, but thats not true it was a short period of time before they started training face tagging algorithms, systematically collecting data on you even when you don’t use a Facebook account, even something simple like changing from a organic feed to an algorithmic manipulation feed. Facebook has had Ai in it some from sort from the start, and all of it was and still is bad. I don’t know how to explain anymore clearly that just because LLMs exist now that doesnt mean Ai didn’t existed in the past. I can’t explain to you how much of Facebook has always been just ai data scraping, illegal nonsense.
I think you guys are getting caught up in wording because we are talking about the same thing. Maybe you guys didn’t use it back then and thought it was something more organic and akin to MySpace. It was like that for a year before they started doing weird privacy invading shit because they got inqtel funding. The only thing I don’t have a retort to is humans having to moderate content. I can tell you why we shouldnt use Ai but not a productive alternative.
Also I in no way want to let them off the hook, if anything I think their punishments should be worse or even excessive, for trying to pin their intentions on Ai and mysterious algorithms they pretend not to understand, yet they some how figured out how to abuse that algorithm for their ad partners. If I where to have it my way mark zuckerburg would be in prison already by a judge who insist on using maximum sentences for all possible crimes I can think of, and meta/Facebook would get a fine thats impossible to pay back similar to infowars.