The US Supreme Court on Thursday struck down a Hawaii law requiring licensed permit holders to obtain a property owner's express permission before carrying a firearm onto private property open to the...
I’ve read most of it as an impartial judge and here’s my verdict: you’re both mixing some valid arguments with bullshit, you both lost focus long time ago and your stupid style of replying is impossible to follow.
The reality is simply that the US constitution is an outdated document that should not serve as the basis for laws in a modern country. It was great at creating an extremely stable system but unfortunately the system it created sucks. It completely failed at granting meaningful rights to it’s citizens and preventing fascism. Arguing about how some slave rapists envisioned the state should handle semi automatic rifles has as much sense as arguing about maximum possible Warp speed or something. It’s all fantasy because founding fathers had no idea what the country will look like 200 years later and didn’t prepare the laws for it.
The reality is simply that the US constitution is an outdated document that should not serve as the basis for laws in a modern country.
The argument I’ve been participating in has been about what the Second Amendment was at the time it was written. The original intent of the people who wrote it. There is only one correct interpretation of that (which is mine, BTW), and modern interpretations have absolutely fuck-all to do with it.
The original intent was to allow people to own muskets because US didn’t have a standing army. What’s there to argue? You’re just playing fantasy politics trying to guess how this law would apply to situations it wasn’t meant for.
The original intent was to allow people to own muskets because US didn’t have a standing army.
Because the founders explicitly didn’t want the US to have a standing army, explicitly to prevent the Federal government from being able to subjugate the People. That’s an important distinction.
It may be important distinction for historians but it’s irrelevant when discussing current decisions for the Supreme Court regarding modern gun laws.
The whole discussion started because of gun laws in Hawaii. You took it all back to the original intent. Who cares about it? Their intent is irrelevant in today’s geopolitical situation, with modern guns and with US having a standing army. Both of you are just trying to justify your current world view by using irrelevant facts. What you’re doing is more similar to interpreting the bible than arguing about constitution. You have your scripture, your prophets, your dogmas and you’re basically arguing which rabbi is better at interpreting all of it.
I’ve read most of it as an impartial judge and here’s my verdict: you’re both mixing some valid arguments with bullshit, you both lost focus long time ago and your stupid style of replying is impossible to follow.
The reality is simply that the US constitution is an outdated document that should not serve as the basis for laws in a modern country. It was great at creating an extremely stable system but unfortunately the system it created sucks. It completely failed at granting meaningful rights to it’s citizens and preventing fascism. Arguing about how some slave rapists envisioned the state should handle semi automatic rifles has as much sense as arguing about maximum possible Warp speed or something. It’s all fantasy because founding fathers had no idea what the country will look like 200 years later and didn’t prepare the laws for it.
The argument I’ve been participating in has been about what the Second Amendment was at the time it was written. The original intent of the people who wrote it. There is only one correct interpretation of that (which is mine, BTW), and modern interpretations have absolutely fuck-all to do with it.
The original intent was to allow people to own muskets because US didn’t have a standing army. What’s there to argue? You’re just playing fantasy politics trying to guess how this law would apply to situations it wasn’t meant for.
Because the founders explicitly didn’t want the US to have a standing army, explicitly to prevent the Federal government from being able to subjugate the People. That’s an important distinction.
It may be important distinction for historians but it’s irrelevant when discussing current decisions for the Supreme Court regarding modern gun laws.
The whole discussion started because of gun laws in Hawaii. You took it all back to the original intent. Who cares about it? Their intent is irrelevant in today’s geopolitical situation, with modern guns and with US having a standing army. Both of you are just trying to justify your current world view by using irrelevant facts. What you’re doing is more similar to interpreting the bible than arguing about constitution. You have your scripture, your prophets, your dogmas and you’re basically arguing which rabbi is better at interpreting all of it.