• RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    how is focusing on some of the companies that pump oil out of the ground going to change power generation or transportation?

    Simple, if they realise their products aren’t as profitable anymore they will invest more into green energy that is not taxed as heavily.

    You’ve answered the opposite of the question that I asked. Which underscores my point – the consumer change drives the producer change, not the other way around.

    Inflammation is a normal bodily response to a parasite.

    And it is often counter-productive, even fatal. Pay attention to the response that you are getting – people aren’t about to take action; they are going to internally fester.

    What inaction?

    The inaction of useless discussion. Oh, here’s a meme blaming “corporations” for everything; I can see emissions dropping already.

    Would that only be on the 57 largest entities?

    Why would it have to be?

    It wouldn’t. That’s my point. The list doesn’t matter.

    I already said start at the top and work your way down.

    As you just pointed out, there is no need for that; we can address the whole problem at once.

    A lot of people simply don’t care

    Of course, but what about the people who do? What will you encourage them to do?

    It’s more effective to direct your efforts towards the root of the problem

    It’s more effective to direct your efforts towards organization and action instead of blame.

    We’ve already agreed that what needs to happen is carbon taxes, so let’s work toward that.

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      You’ve answered the opposite of the question that I asked. Which underscores my point – the consumer change drives the producer change, not the other way around.

      Nope. There are more ways to make a company change their operations. Think of the EU making USB-C the standard charging port. And of course you can make companies pay for the carbon they dig out of the earth.

      And it is often counter-productive, even fatal.

      Uh… no it’s not. Do you know what’s going on inside your own body? Do you know how many viruses and bacteria are fought off through inflammatory reactions that you hardly even notice?

      Pay attention to the response that you are getting

      I’m just getting that response from you. Otherwise I got a bunch of upvotes for the comment.

      The inaction of useless discussion.

      Like this one? The point is that propaganda works. This was propaganda and I called it out. Most people reacted positively to that. And that will never be useless.

      It wouldn’t. That’s my point. The list doesn’t matter.

      These things do not follow each other logically. Let me try to explain this to you: let’s say you’re on a tight budget and you can cut your costs by 15% by not buying anymore Dubai chocolate crap… or you can save 1% on buying fewer tomatoes, another 0.5% on buying less canned beans, another 2% by switching to a different brand of dairy products etc… where would you start your cost-cutting?

      Of course, but what about the people who do? What will you encourage them to do?

      What on earth are you talking about? It’s not like I go around telling people to take as many flights as they can. Of course you try to get people to do stuff on a smaller scale. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to reduce the emissions of the megacorporations as well…

      We’ve already agreed that what needs to happen is carbon taxes, so let’s work toward that.

      The point is: who is going to be paying them? The companies who knowingly lied to the consumers and hid the facts or the consumers who were systematically made more reliant on the product these companies sold?