The anger is less about how bad EV’s are and more about being expected to buy a hilariously expensive EV when someone has a perfectly functional car. Make them cheaper and people will buy them, because other than the environmental aspect EV’s just require less maintenance overall, making them cheaper to run.
Chevy Bolt? I don’t know anything about it and didn’t bring it up since there’s no direct comparison to highlight price competitiveness. However it’s a reasonably priced vehicle marketed as a value for basic transportation.
But yeah everyone wanted to follow the Tesla model of starting out with expensive models serving a small niche. That worked for Tesla when there was no market, but you can’t expect to copy the approach that established the market when you’re trying to break into an existing market. Legacy manufacturers were stupid for trying so of course never reached the scale for profitability. But then they gave up before pivoting to affordable vehicles, and politics broke everything …… we know there are plenty of affordable value-priced EVs in the world, just not in the US due to politics and legacy inertia.
I’d rather spend $100k converting an old ICE car to electric than give the auto industry another dime. The surveillance crap is literally a life or death decision for me. I have a 20y/o ice car I’ll likely have to convert, so no one try your dumb “new car math” with me.
If any fuckers want to make what I’m doing illegal, people will die.
Yes THERE is the issue that everyone seems to forget about new cars. I have a project car that I’m thinking will become an EV when it needs an engine because it will be so much easier to deal with. And it won’t call home to the feds every day.
Old muscle cars converted to EV I think are so cool. There was a show that converted an old K10 truck and hid the batteries in the bed tool box.
A 80s station wagon, a Country Squire, or 70s luxury cruiser like a Cadillac or Lincoln would be awesome.
EVs, or just newer cars in general, are just so boring and cramped. Not to mention all the connection and surveillance concerns.
Boring, cramped, and almost impossible to see out of.
I think Ford straight-up sells an electric motor swap that will fit right in their older cars.
I have a weird little 4x4 that would be amazing if it were electric. I wouldn’t have to worry about getting in a situation where the engine is tilted too much and it’s simultaneously starving for fuel and oil.
I rode a Livewire on a demo day, and it was amazing. I’d never operated an electric vehicle other than a forklift before I rode that bike, I was ready for the lack of clutch but I wasn’t ready for how fast it jumped when I first hit the “gas”.
But then I saw the price tag. $15,000 would have been a bit too much, but it’s a Harley. $10,000 I would have bought it. But they wanted $30,000 for it. That’s CVO money for a short commuter or bar hopper.
The pan-am is a cool bike for sure, I sat on one the day I bought my Nightster and it was ~8k more, but I really considered the financial gymnastics because I would have loved it. I tried a sportster S, which has a de-tuned version of the pan-am engine. It was really quick but the seating position wasn’t for me. The Nightster has mid controls and is very lightweight. It’s a lot easier to ride long distances, but the Pan Am would probably be more comfortable.
Nah, I meant the state says they are going to find and kill all of us that ever said anything bad about trump. His signature is on the strategy document already. Correct assumption though, and I’m not able to leave the dying empire yet so I might die here.
Anyone’s car near any protests turn the owners into suspected domestic terrorists, for example. Remote shutdown so they can box your car in and kidnap you. It listens in on your conversations and AI/LLMs have made data analysis super easy. Nationwide Flock cameras are enough to be targeted anyway, so I don’t need my car shutting off in an emergency and snitching on me to the traitors with guns. More people will die if EV conversions or old cars are made illegal.
Exactly, all modern cars are awful in that regard, ICE, EV or Hybrid, it doesn’t matter. The spyware and privacy invasion built into all of them makes none of them desirable to me whatsoever.
Except the comment I originally replied to literally said it was better for the environment to trade in my car rather than drive it until it dies.
Burning gas is so extremely bad that even throwing away your old ICE car and buying a new electric car is better than driving the ICE car until it „falls apart“.
The anger is less about how bad EV’s are and more about being expected to buy a hilariously expensive EV when someone has a perfectly functional car. Make them cheaper and people will buy them, because other than the environmental aspect EV’s just require less maintenance overall, making them cheaper to run.
Even in the US, there are now a handful of EVs that are price competitive. For example I believe Equinox EV is similar price to Equinox ICE
But I don’t want the EV equivalent of an Equinox, I want the EV equivalent of a base model Corolla.
Chevy Bolt? I don’t know anything about it and didn’t bring it up since there’s no direct comparison to highlight price competitiveness. However it’s a reasonably priced vehicle marketed as a value for basic transportation.
But yeah everyone wanted to follow the Tesla model of starting out with expensive models serving a small niche. That worked for Tesla when there was no market, but you can’t expect to copy the approach that established the market when you’re trying to break into an existing market. Legacy manufacturers were stupid for trying so of course never reached the scale for profitability. But then they gave up before pivoting to affordable vehicles, and politics broke everything …… we know there are plenty of affordable value-priced EVs in the world, just not in the US due to politics and legacy inertia.
They are only hilariously expensive because ICE manufacturers are lobbying to keep Chinese EVs out of your country…
As an American who would really like a small truck, I know that. :-(
I’d rather spend $100k converting an old ICE car to electric than give the auto industry another dime. The surveillance crap is literally a life or death decision for me. I have a 20y/o ice car I’ll likely have to convert, so no one try your dumb “new car math” with me.
If any fuckers want to make what I’m doing illegal, people will die.
Yes THERE is the issue that everyone seems to forget about new cars. I have a project car that I’m thinking will become an EV when it needs an engine because it will be so much easier to deal with. And it won’t call home to the feds every day.
Old muscle cars converted to EV I think are so cool. There was a show that converted an old K10 truck and hid the batteries in the bed tool box.
A 80s station wagon, a Country Squire, or 70s luxury cruiser like a Cadillac or Lincoln would be awesome.
EVs, or just newer cars in general, are just so boring and cramped. Not to mention all the connection and surveillance concerns.
Boring, cramped, and almost impossible to see out of.
I think Ford straight-up sells an electric motor swap that will fit right in their older cars.
I have a weird little 4x4 that would be amazing if it were electric. I wouldn’t have to worry about getting in a situation where the engine is tilted too much and it’s simultaneously starving for fuel and oil.
I’d also like to know why Harley acted so ashamed of the Livewire. Probably one of the coolest things they’ve done up to the Pan America.
WARNING: PUI
I rode a Livewire on a demo day, and it was amazing. I’d never operated an electric vehicle other than a forklift before I rode that bike, I was ready for the lack of clutch but I wasn’t ready for how fast it jumped when I first hit the “gas”.
But then I saw the price tag. $15,000 would have been a bit too much, but it’s a Harley. $10,000 I would have bought it. But they wanted $30,000 for it. That’s CVO money for a short commuter or bar hopper.
The pan-am is a cool bike for sure, I sat on one the day I bought my Nightster and it was ~8k more, but I really considered the financial gymnastics because I would have loved it. I tried a sportster S, which has a de-tuned version of the pan-am engine. It was really quick but the seating position wasn’t for me. The Nightster has mid controls and is very lightweight. It’s a lot easier to ride long distances, but the Pan Am would probably be more comfortable.
All the shit going on in the USA just now and this is what drives you to murder?
(I assumed you’re American because of the culturally dominant idea that it’s ok to shoot people if it grants you a bit more personal liberty.)
Nah, I meant the state says they are going to find and kill all of us that ever said anything bad about trump. His signature is on the strategy document already. Correct assumption though, and I’m not able to leave the dying empire yet so I might die here.
Anyone’s car near any protests turn the owners into suspected domestic terrorists, for example. Remote shutdown so they can box your car in and kidnap you. It listens in on your conversations and AI/LLMs have made data analysis super easy. Nationwide Flock cameras are enough to be targeted anyway, so I don’t need my car shutting off in an emergency and snitching on me to the traitors with guns. More people will die if EV conversions or old cars are made illegal.
Exactly, all modern cars are awful in that regard, ICE, EV or Hybrid, it doesn’t matter. The spyware and privacy invasion built into all of them makes none of them desirable to me whatsoever.
You see what they did to eBikes ?
Literally no one expects that of you. We just want the bootlickers to stfu and stop being part of the problem.
The difference between the cheapest EV and cheapest ICE is 7k currently, the savings on gas cover it.
The price difference between the car I have and an EV is considerably more than 7K. Also, 7K is quite a lot.
That’s new, there is also used. But the fact is you can’t compare it to your junker since, like I said, no one is asking you to switch right away.
The 7k seems like a lot but it isn’t since you get it back quickly with the savings on maintenance and gas.
Except the comment I originally replied to literally said it was better for the environment to trade in my car rather than drive it until it dies.
Yes it is, and that’s a step to take if you can, but no one is saying you are a bad guy if you don’t.
It’s being an oil industry mouthpieces that is the problem.