The Iranian “Regime” is so much less evil than the American “Regime” and the Israeli “Regime” that it’s not even comparable.
At least make an honest comparison when you say that.
Comparing decades of events by US and Israel to one event in Iran as if it’s not a brutal theocratic authoritarian regime, is very dishonest.
That’s not to say the US and Israel should’ve invaded, fuck no, but at least be honest about it.
Literally the only way to make just the Israeli “Regime” seem less murderous than the Iranian one is by cheery-picking a “from date” that excludes most of the Genocide in Gaza whilst including the recent violent repression in Iran and a “to date” that excludes Israel’s current invasion of Lebanon and the Israeli participation in attacking Iran.
Israel has been way more murderous than Iran in pretty much any time frame you chose within the last 5 decades unless you’re activelly cherry-picking start and end dates to make it seem otherwise.
As nasty as the Iranian Regime is, next to the Genocidal White Supremacist Regime in Israel they’re pussycats - their respective body counts aren’t even in the same dimension.
You are right when it comes to body count comparisons with the US, though, as the last big mass murdering done by the US ended in 2021 (Afghanistan) though the country activelly supported the Israeli Genocide in Gaza.
For the US the “is it the same Regime” logics applies, IMHO - have the political systems and general political stance when it comes to foreign intervention really changed for the better in the US. As far as I can tell, it has not. That being the case, then it makes sense to point at the past sins of the Regime in America even if from a decade or two ago and say “this is the kind of people they are” because that’s still how American political structures operate and that’s still how much the American Public cares about those the American Military murders abroad, same as it would make sense if for example the NAZIs were still in Government in Germany to keep pointing out at the Holocaust (which was almost a century ago) as an example of the kind of people the NAZIs are, but since the NAZIs are not in power in Germany and it’s an entirelly different “Regime” it makes no sense at all to point at the Holocaust as representative of the character of present day Germany and its Government.
So, has the US really changed when it comes to how much Americans (both in power and public opinion) care about the lives of those outside America or about American Militarism?
From the outside, it doesn’t at all look like it: America is still hyper-militarist, most of the American Public care very little about the lives of those abroad and both the last US Governments either supported mass killings abroad, most notably with Biden sending Israel 2000lb bombs - which have massive collateral damaga - to be used to bomb the denselly populate Gaza, and then Trump continued support for Israel, randomly droned boats of the South American coast and bombed Iran with such recklessnes and disregard to civilian lives that they let Grok choose targest and blew up a school full of children.
Please note that I’m not trying to defend Israel or the US at all, I’m not trying to disprove or deny their imperialistic and genocidal actions.
But don’t try to reduce Iran’s brutalities in order to make that point. It cheapens the discussion and makes it easier to ignore your actual point. That’s what you did in the comment I responded to.
At least make an honest comparison when you say that. Comparing decades of events by US and Israel to one event in Iran as if it’s not a brutal theocratic authoritarian regime, is very dishonest.
That’s not to say the US and Israel should’ve invaded, fuck no, but at least be honest about it.
The Israelis just shot a 3 year old in the head
An American cop just
killedmurdered a 1yo in Mississippi a few days ago.Really struggling to find the difference here.
Yeah but have you considered that Iran is brutal and theocratic? What’s that you say?
Literally the only way to make just the Israeli “Regime” seem less murderous than the Iranian one is by cheery-picking a “from date” that excludes most of the Genocide in Gaza whilst including the recent violent repression in Iran and a “to date” that excludes Israel’s current invasion of Lebanon and the Israeli participation in attacking Iran.
Israel has been way more murderous than Iran in pretty much any time frame you chose within the last 5 decades unless you’re activelly cherry-picking start and end dates to make it seem otherwise.
As nasty as the Iranian Regime is, next to the Genocidal White Supremacist Regime in Israel they’re pussycats - their respective body counts aren’t even in the same dimension.
You are right when it comes to body count comparisons with the US, though, as the last big mass murdering done by the US ended in 2021 (Afghanistan) though the country activelly supported the Israeli Genocide in Gaza.
For the US the “is it the same Regime” logics applies, IMHO - have the political systems and general political stance when it comes to foreign intervention really changed for the better in the US. As far as I can tell, it has not. That being the case, then it makes sense to point at the past sins of the Regime in America even if from a decade or two ago and say “this is the kind of people they are” because that’s still how American political structures operate and that’s still how much the American Public cares about those the American Military murders abroad, same as it would make sense if for example the NAZIs were still in Government in Germany to keep pointing out at the Holocaust (which was almost a century ago) as an example of the kind of people the NAZIs are, but since the NAZIs are not in power in Germany and it’s an entirelly different “Regime” it makes no sense at all to point at the Holocaust as representative of the character of present day Germany and its Government.
So, has the US really changed when it comes to how much Americans (both in power and public opinion) care about the lives of those outside America or about American Militarism?
From the outside, it doesn’t at all look like it: America is still hyper-militarist, most of the American Public care very little about the lives of those abroad and both the last US Governments either supported mass killings abroad, most notably with Biden sending Israel 2000lb bombs - which have massive collateral damaga - to be used to bomb the denselly populate Gaza, and then Trump continued support for Israel, randomly droned boats of the South American coast and bombed Iran with such recklessnes and disregard to civilian lives that they let Grok choose targest and blew up a school full of children.
Please note that I’m not trying to defend Israel or the US at all, I’m not trying to disprove or deny their imperialistic and genocidal actions.
But don’t try to reduce Iran’s brutalities in order to make that point. It cheapens the discussion and makes it easier to ignore your actual point. That’s what you did in the comment I responded to.