• artyom@piefed.social
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    21 hours ago

    Just moving one creator off the biggest platform accomplishes nothing.

    We’ve already discussed several times precisely how it does. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but you can stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.

    And I don’t see a universe where Big Tech is going to change its’ tune either unfortunately.

    Not as long as people like you continue to advocate against it.

    Basically every podcast is available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, some of the major ones also on YouTube. How’s that different from streaming?

    Because they’re also available without them. And YouTube does not have podcasts.

    And I’m saying there’s no point unless it’s a coordinated effort. A single creator being unavailable on Twitch changes nothing, except that single streamer’s visibility

    Brother you can’t just start at 5 million. Everything starts at one. Fortunately there are already hundreds, but none of them as influential as the mayor of NYC.

    Their website runs fine on Firefox

    I don’t care about their website. I want a client where I click a button and the game launches.

    Heroic even provides a unifying launcher for GOG

    It only works like 10% of the time. While Steam works 99%. Even when it works it doesn’t support a bunch of features that GOG desktop does.

    Are you saying the convenience of the more proprietary platform is keeping you from using the less proprietary one?

    No I’m saying one supports free operating systems and the other doesn’t.

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      We’ve already discussed several times precisely how it does. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but you can stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.

      Okay, tell me how many people are going to stop using Twitch because one single streamer streams elsewhere?

      Not as long as people like you continue to advocate against it.

      Yes, I’m the reason big tech wants to make more money, not because they like making money.

      Because they’re also available without them

      Yes, and this stream is also available on platforms that are not Twitch. Similarly to how everyone still gets their podcasts off Spotify or Apple Podcasts because those have all the podcasts, everyone will still stream on Twitch if all their other content is still on Twitch too.

      And YouTube does not have podcasts.

      Sure, YouTube doesn’t have podcasts.

      Brother you can’t just start at 5 million. Everything starts at one. Fortunately there are already hundreds, but none of them as influential as the mayor of NYC.

      And which app or website can you go to to see all of those hundreds in one place?

      I don’t care about their website. I want a client where I click a button and the game launches.

      So you want convenience and it’s worth more to you than your game being DRM-free. This is literally why every game dev still sells on Steam instead of delisting and going exclusively to GOG and itch. And it’s why nobody who streams will take their stream off Twitch. Because of people like you, who want the convenience of going on Twitch and just clicking.

      It only works like 10% of the time. While Steam works 99%. Even when it works it doesn’t support a bunch of features that GOG desktop does.

      You don’t NEED any features other than “launch game”. Some apps I can suggest for this: Konsole, alacritty, cosmic-term

      No I’m saying one supports free operating systems and the other doesn’t.

      But GOG supports free operating systems. The client is completely optional and it came several years after the website which supports every modern browser and OS. Not supporting free operating systems is an imaginary issue you’re making up to justify NOT LEAVING THE CONVENIENT CORPORATE PLATFORM THAT HAS ALL YOUR CONTENT IN ONE PLACE. If you really cared, you could also run the GOG client with Wine just like you run the games themselves.

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        tell me how many people are going to stop using Twitch because one single streamer streams elsewhere?

        It doesn’t matter how many times you ask this leading question, I’m not repeating myself. Scroll up. This conversation is never going to make sense to you if you’re unable to understand the simple concept of a transition.

        I’m the reason big tech wants to make more money, not because they like making money.

        No, people like you are the reason they will continue making money. People who actively advocate against alternatives.

        Yes, and this stream is also available on platforms that are not Twitch.

        Only if they elect to multistream them to those platforms. Every other platform he’s streaming it to is ALSO Big Tech. Podcasts are distributed via an open protocol called RSS and you can listen to them however you want, without any platforms involved at all.

        Sure, YouTube doesn’t have podcasts.

        Can you link me to the RSS feed for these “podcasts”? No? Then they’re not podcasts.

        And which app or website can you go to to see all of those hundreds in one place?

        Once again, already discussed above. If you’re just not going to read my responses, I’m going to stop writing them.

        So you want convenience and it’s worth more to you than your game being DRM-free.

        It doesn’t matter if its DRM-free or not if it DOESN’T WORK.

        Some apps I can suggest for this: Konsole, alacritty, cosmic-term

        These are not “apps”, they are terminal emulators, and they obviously don’t solve the problem I’m describing.

        But GOG supports free operating systems.

        I would to hear how you describe this. They have zero Linux software whatsoever. And they don’t support Proton, even though they absolutely could.

        If you really cared, you could also run the GOG client with Wine just like you run the games themselves.

        That’s very obviously would simply not work.

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          No, people like you are the reason they will continue making money. People who actively advocate against alternatives.

          I’m not advocating against alternatives, I’m saying there’s no point in dropping your visibility to zero if there’s not at least a semi-viable alternative to unify under.

          You’re just being obtuse on purpose.

          Can you link me to the RSS feed for these “podcasts”? No? Then they’re not podcasts.

          Nearly nobody uses RSS readers these days, people get their podcasts on other apps. The RSS feed isn’t a defining feature of podcasts anymore and many of the biggest podcasts no longer use it. Out of the ones I linked, the smallest (and by far the best) one, Cortex, still has an official RSS Feed. Now show me a podcast with significant followership that does not host their content on Spotify, Apple or YouTube and is only available via the RSS feed.

          It doesn’t matter if its DRM-free or not if it DOESN’T WORK.

          What doesn’t? Most GOG games seem to work just fine on Linux. Heroic Launcher? Idk, I don’t use it much, it’s unnecessary for GOG anyway, it’s only really necessary for Epic which doesn’t have download links on the website (I suppose you COULD also curl the games, but that requires more setup than most people would want to do, with cookies and everything)

          These are not “apps”, they are terminal emulators, and they obviously don’t solve the problem I’m describing.

          Open terminal, umu-run ~/games/some_game/some_game.exe. You can even use tab to auto complete parts of the path.

          Done. Game’s running, faster than any big GUI launcher opens, whether it be Steam, or GOG Galaxy.

          That’s very obviously would simply not work.

          Why’s that? It’s literally how I played Assassin’s Creed, except it was uplay rather than GOG Galaxy.