Its an export from England, not an import.
Britain has been Christian Nationalist for centuries
These cretins were kicked out of England because they tried so valiantly to tell everyone how to act as a Christian. Then, they came to the new world claiming persecution. All these butthurt babies are now gonna do a repeat. 400 years later here we are.
Here we call them Union(CDU/CSU)
As an actual bible believing Christian, I would like to officially distance myself from all this nonsense.
Of course you would. That would keep you from having to fix it.
No, your kind should take responsibility
Bible Believing Christian? Gross.
None of them follows Jesus’s teachings, they just abuse his name.
Jesus teaches that He will return at the head of a Holy Army, to kill all who won’t accept Him as Lord.
“They” can’t even come close to the horrors Jesus promised. The lake of blood will be miles wide, and as high as a horse’s bridle (according to Him).
His billions of victims won’t even have peace in death, as He promises them eternal torment in a lake of fire (according to Him).
Which shows that you did not understand the bible. Forget the Apocalypse. It should never have made it to the book, and has nothing to do with what Jesus preached.
I wish your religious leaders had years ago.
As a Christian in faith. I believe the bible needs to fade into obscurity. We need a new narrative that defines the sense of love, compassion & spiritual growth we seek. Fuck the dogma & the original sin idea that has been used to oppress and strike fear into peoples hearts and minds. Fear of god is spiritual abuse. That is what Christianity teaches right out of the gate. 🤦
It’s okay to let go of the label and just come to terms with the fact that you have good values, you know?
As a white boy deep in the south region of the US where evangelical Christian is the only Christianity I suggest to you, as a person who has lived in this shithole, that my brothers and sisters in Great Britain nuke this shit from orbit and pour gasoline on the smoking embers. We thought this would not happen here but we let the fucking nuts congregate and feed off each other. It all started when Eisenhower let Billy Graham in the White House because, " what can a little prayer breakfast hurt?" And no one said a thing because why offend " good Christian" people. Stop it now while the chickens are still in the hen house.
Yeah, the Tolerance paradox, tolerate these toxic shit stains and this is how you end up
As a white boy from Idaho, I second this. We ran their first wave out in the early 00s, but the next wave trying to create a white nationalist haven was far worse than the old ones who contented themselves with cosplay Conderacy/Nazism and only left their compounds once a year for a parade. There’s no shame anymore, no edgelord “I’m a Nazi” attitude. They’ve normalized the doctrine by being average neighbors rather than radical weirdos in a bunker. They’re invading our local offices, school boards, city councils, and other minor offices. One challenged our governor (a Regan-esque pos but not total MAGA) and while he lost, still got 30% of the vote. They’re buying up our remote farming communities and turning them into ideological enclaves. They’re well educated, and many are former cops or military. Out here it’s creating a strange bedfellow situation. We’ve got urban leftists and libs, east state Mormons who are starting to recognize MAGA evangelicals aren’t their ally, and the 2A an-cap libertarians who hate the Feds. Fun times. But seriously, don’t let these people get a foot in the door at any level.
You thought it wouldn’t happen there? Pretty sure most of the rest of us knew it always had.
As someone raised in evangelical Christianity and fought my way out, this guy’s not fucking kidding, and neither is he being overly dramatic. I suggest you act with frightening speed and ruthless efficiency, leaving no blade of grass untouched nor smallest nook or cranny overlooked. As you act, do not waver in your fortitude, and do not for even a moment to allow yourselves to consider that you may be acting “a bit rash.” It is imperative that you cease immediately the spread of this pestilence.
do not for even a moment to allow yourselves to consider that you may be acting “a bit rash.”
Fighting fascism doesn’t mean destroying your ability to self reflect or question yourself. That’s a ridiculous way to think about anything.
Edit: apparently I’m wrong. The guys who never allow themselves to question their actions or thoughts are typically known as the good guys.
No, you’re right in general, but context and frame of reference are a thing. Here the discussion is specifically around reacting to the rise of Christian Nationalism.
This is Karl Popper’s Paradox of Tolerance. If these christofascists are allowed to take power, they will aggressively erode tolerance of anyone else. And based on precedent they will lie and manipulate to get that power. The response must be swift and ironclad.
But knowing the UK cultural propensity for excessive politeness and unhealthy avoidance of social discomfort, they’re probably screwed.
But knowing the UK cultural propensity for excessive politeness and unhealthy avoidance of social discomfort, they’re probably screwed.
This is a solid misunderstanding of, well, everything. Britain takes great zeal in tearing down those who purport to be moral. See: British Tabloids and British Satire. And as for religious leaders trying to make a political issue, that’s a big nope, and they will be savagely ridiculed for it.
The only way these weirdos can survive is by staying under the radar, like the mormons and the scientologists. Once they start to insinuate themselves in public discourse they’re ripped apart.
Oh? I’d be delighted for me to be wrong and you to be right on this.
But the backlash to my comment is based on a strawman argument because people cannot imagine you can partially agree with a caveat. The implication of the downvotes here is that if I would say this, I must be a secret fascist. There’s absolutely nothing objectively incorrect about what I said, in context or not. The only reason context would matter here is if you make assumptions about why I made this comment, and that requires a leap. Which apparently, people are very happy to make.
I only see one other reply to your comment, and I’m not sure it’s making these assumptions. Maybe you could point to the ‘backlash’?
Regardless, I already said I think you’re right in the grand scheme of things and shared my input. But I didn’t write the original comments you were responding to and have no need or desire to defend those.
The many downvotes is what I am referring to
Nobody here’s against self-reflection or questioning or critical thinking. These comments come from people who explicitly did do self-reflection and left. The ones who don’t are still in the evangelical system, I presume.
Believe it or not though, those things have an empirical or social component. Namely, if seemingly rational actors (by all means grill them) are giving such grave warnings, which is an astonishingly rare event… Heed them.
This is more prudence and modesty than mindless or naive deference, an ironically fine line given the subject matter. Lastly, this isn’t simply a black-and-white matter of “good and bad” however comfortable it is to give in to the impulse to reduce everything to such. Reminder: following said impulse doesn’t make you any more moral than the next person.
Can not upvote this enough. This man speaks the truth, and reason. He is not crazy. I’ve had a similar experience, and if anything, I think this isn’t raising the warning flag high enough for what could happen in the UK here.
Too bad there’s no “new world” to ship all the fundies off to this time.
Mars?
I am SO tired of these religious fundie/extremist nutjobs.
They are only hypocrite religious. Nothing of what they are doing is even close to Jesus’s core teaching “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31). They are giving Christians a bad reputation.
Christians gave themselves a bad reputation, then as now. Their faith never recovered from the Black Death, which finally broke the back of the church, and ended their stranglehold over almost all of Europe.
They later tried to break the peasants with their various Inquisitions, killing thousands more, but no matter how many people the Christians tortured to death, they were never able to achieve their former glory and power; they have diminished every year since.
They’ve lost half of their faithful in the USA over the past 20 years. PRAISE GOD
Oh shit. You lot need to nip these assholes in the bud.
Thats exactly what they did last time, ship all the fundy religious nuts overseas, the Massachusetts bay colony was full of religious exiles deemed too “extra” for post-reformation Europe… And look where we are now.
Aaaand of course its through Reform MPs. Why did I expect otherwise
How much do you want to bet they don’t even go to church? I’m an atheist and I’m more christian than them
I wonder how harsh their stance on this foreign refugee will be
did they not learn from brexit?, no they dint.
Yeah that isn’t gonna work here
Yup. People don’t like religion at the best of times.
Didn’t Christian nationalism literally come from Britain? It didn’t spontaneously form from the ether in America. A bunch of brits sailed to America to slaughter native Americans because God “wanted them to”, a few generations pass and then here we are. And no I’m obviously not saying it is actually this simple (“Americans = brits + time”), but the headline seems dumb to me too.
The Great Awakening, which is where most US Christian nationalism stems from, is a pretty American homegrown phenomenon not happening in any comparable way in Europe at the time.
So no, Christian nationalism did not literally come from Britain. It is capable of appearing anywhere where Christian fanatics congregate to a great extend, and they have never congregated so much as they have and are currently doing in the US.
Thank you for this response.
Do they at least call themselves “Norsefire”?
Like we need any more imported American ideas. Religion and politics needs to FO
Consider also that some US Christian Nationalists are descended from people who left Britain for freedom from the national religion.
Europe dumped all their assholes and prudes in North America, and then they’re surprised that it turns to shit.
evangelicals being birthed from america, has started to interfere with african politics for quite a while too, they are behind the very harsh anti-gay laws in africa.
Color me shocked that this is happening in a state with an established church and members of the clergy sitting in the legislature.
Britain has a secular government which pays lip service to a religion.
The US has a religious government which pays lip service to secularism.
In Britain, there are currently 23 Lords Spiritual, out of 1402 legislators.
In the US there are 0 openly atheist members of congress, out of 535 legislators.
Over a third of all parliamentarians in 2024 chose a secular oath.
Christianity is not the only non-secular group that has overt representatives sitting in the legislature.
America patiently waiting to play their legal divorce uno reverse card on the church of england.
