Political editor David Maddox tracks the origins of Orban’s crushing defeat on Sunday to the unforeseen consequences of a papal visit almost exactly three years ago
I know that this sounds crazy, considering how world leaders usually behave nowadays, but it is possible that he was just kind of tired of being in charge and thinks that Magyar (who does share the vast majority of Orban’s values) is a decent enough replacement who won’t start any corruption court cases against him.
My money is on a nominal sentence of very flexible house arrest. Or Orban bounces and retires happily to some other country where they don’t care to chase him.
Still conservative, but EU-favorable instead of deliberately obstructionist. It’s definitely a heavy blow to Putin, because this might pave the way for meaningful long-term support (or goodness, perhaps even future EU membership) to reach Ukraine.
Edit: Tangential, but this election has me wondering why I haven’t seen much online discourse trying to shame voters for supporting Tisza when they could have voted for the Workers’ Party, DK, or the Greens.
On your tangent: it’s easy. All the “true” opposition were united against Fidesz, and only vote-sucking Fidesz-collaborationists were running additionally.
The FPTP system put in place 16 years ago demanded this. Hungary will do better after a long overdue electoral reform.
He has belonged to the same nationalistic party as Orban, but he’s more friendly towards EU rather than Russia. It’s an improvement for the European alliance at least.
I don’t trust him either but he is from what it appears a lot less of a puppet for Putin and less anti-EU. He is also a right populist, maybe a bit more moderate in general, but we will see soon enough what he will really be like. So far he only had to promise things.
He made promises of dragging them all through the justice system for corruption and embezzlement. People voted for him because they want to see consequences. I hope it happens.
Anyone know anything about the new guy? It’s almost surprising that Orbán was willing to concede.
From the Guardian
I know that this sounds crazy, considering how world leaders usually behave nowadays, but it is possible that he was just kind of tired of being in charge and thinks that Magyar (who does share the vast majority of Orban’s values) is a decent enough replacement who won’t start any corruption court cases against him.
Magyar confirmed in his victory speech that he will in fact start those cases.
Or rather the independent juicidary and the new “National Wealth Reclamation Agency” will.
My money is on a nominal sentence of very flexible house arrest. Or Orban bounces and retires happily to some other country where they don’t care to chase him.
If he does that, he will lose the support of his whole party. We’ve done that once before, that’s how we ended up in this mess.
“What else was I supposed to do short of assasinating the guy?”
Not enough high windows to go fully Russian
At least he knows when he’s beaten, that’s worth some credit.
Some people never accept it.
Still conservative, but EU-favorable instead of deliberately obstructionist. It’s definitely a heavy blow to Putin, because this might pave the way for meaningful long-term support (or goodness, perhaps even future EU membership) to reach Ukraine.
Edit: Tangential, but this election has me wondering why I haven’t seen much online discourse trying to shame voters for supporting Tisza when they could have voted for the Workers’ Party, DK, or the Greens.
On your tangent: it’s easy. All the “true” opposition were united against Fidesz, and only vote-sucking Fidesz-collaborationists were running additionally.
The FPTP system put in place 16 years ago demanded this. Hungary will do better after a long overdue electoral reform.
He has belonged to the same nationalistic party as Orban, but he’s more friendly towards EU rather than Russia. It’s an improvement for the European alliance at least.
It’s actually a good question, he wants wealth taxes and term limits, but waves Hungarian flags around and quotes Reagan.
He’s a hardline pro-EU nationalist who likes socialist policies and hates rich people.
He is a bit more moderate, not a huge difference.
I don’t trust him either but he is from what it appears a lot less of a puppet for Putin and less anti-EU. He is also a right populist, maybe a bit more moderate in general, but we will see soon enough what he will really be like. So far he only had to promise things.
He made promises of dragging them all through the justice system for corruption and embezzlement. People voted for him because they want to see consequences. I hope it happens.