Israel did not have a realistic plan for regime change when it attacked Iran, multiple Israeli security sources have said, with expectations that airstrikes could lead to a popular uprising having been driven by “wishful thinking” rather than hard intelligence.
Iran has survived nearly two weeks of bombing raids and the assassination of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and Trump is publicly contemplating ending the increasingly costly war.
If Iran’s new leadership keeps its grip on power, the long-term measure of the success of the conflict may hang on the fate of 440kg of enriched uranium which was buried under a mountain by US strikes last June, former and serving Israeli defence and intelligence sources said. Enough for more than 10 nuclear warheads, Iran could use it to hasten the construction of a weapon if the material remains in the country.
These are problems purposely created by the government. The War on Drugs was literally a way to go after minorites. The government defunded research into gun violence.
Trying to normalize this loss of life shows how depraved you are.
Those are serious domestic policy failures and they absolutely deserve criticism. But they’re still not the same thing as a government deliberately carrying out mass violence against civilians or supporting armed groups abroad.
Recognizing that distinction isn’t “normalizing” loss of life, it’s acknowledging that different problems require different responses.
Not the same thing even when the government is purposely doing it like the War on Drugs. Arming police like the military and attacking people in their homes. Clearly we have different ideas of what is mass violence. It is okay for our government to do it, but not theirs.
You need to understand both of these things are bad. they aren’t mutually exclusive.
They are when you are trying to use a moral justification for bombing people.
No. You being unable to see the difference between gunning down someone and for example speeding is pretty disturbing.
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So the US government can actively kill people and destroys millions of families and your are fine with it? What about the 4000+ children that died by firearms this last year. It is now the number one killer of children.
Do you know how many children were killed in Iran by guns before the US showed up!? Fucking zero.
Millions of Americans dead and you could give a shit. Stop pretending you care about Iranians.
You’re putting words in people’s mouths. No one said they’re “fine with” deaths in the U.S. Those are serious issues and they absolutely deserve attention and policy solutions.
The point being made was simply that domestic social problems and state-directed violence or terrorism are different categories under international law. Acknowledging that distinction doesn’t mean someone doesn’t care about both.
Both can be bad at the same time. Recognizing that isn’t controversial.
I am making an argument for how ridiculous it is to use loss of life an an excuse to kill more people and that we do not have any moral high ground here.
You have to see the bigger picture in this context though, this is unprecedented. Iran obtaining and securing enriched Uranium and having Nuclear capable missiles will be a threat to the World.
This is bigger than sticking to a morale compass. This is why Humanity is the true plague of this Planet and why there will never be Peace on Earth.
I don’t want more people to die, as many others don’t. But to just sit back and let Iran become untouchable and thinking everything will continue to be OK is naive.
Please lookup how far back we have been attacking Iran for their nuclear technology. I read an article in the 1980’s about it. I think you are missing the bigger picture of lies. Iran only began collecting after the current treaty was destroyed and then offered to hand it all over in the most recent peace negotiations.
This is not full stop about Iran’s nuclear program. Pretending it is ignores history and logic.
You want more people to die by approving of this assault on Iran. How in the world the US overthrowing the government (again!) is a solution is beyond me. This war is about Israel’s and the Christian Nationalist’s bloodlust.
We even have proof that a large amount of commanding US officers told troops that they were doing God’s work by bringing about Armageddon/Rapture. It is truly sick.
No. But you are just being accusatory and willfully misunderstanding my point.
I think it is wrong that Iran cracked down and probably killed tens of thousand of protestors.
That does not make justification for a bombing.
I am sure you are aware of several US and western sponsored regime changes in Iran leading to a backlash and the current conservatard leadership.
I am having a hard time believing excusing this bombing and possible invasion as justified because Iran killed civilians.
Considering we spent 20 years and trillions of dollars to take Afghanistan away from and then give it right back to the Taliban what do you think we are trying to accomplish in Iran!?
You know who else just killed ten times this many people. Russia. Why are we going after the most powerful Muslim country in the world.
I think we know why and it is disgusting.
I don’t think anyone here is celebrating bombing or war. Military action is always a terrible outcome.
The concern many people have is what happens if nothing is done and WHEN Iran eventually acquires nuclear weapons. Once a regime that already sponsors militant groups and represses its own population has nuclear-capable warheads, the ability to prevent escalation becomes far more limited.
At that point, the world isn’t choosing between diplomacy and intervention anymore, it’s choosing between living with a nuclear-armed regime like that or risking a much larger conflict later. That’s the dilemma people are talking about.
To be fair I saw a couple of cars honking and flying the Persian flag with the lion recently celebrating that the regime that displaced them from their ancestral home may be coming down and hoping for freedom.
The nuclear threat of Iran also exists, but isn’t really relevant to my perception of the war.